Author Topic: Lazer Buff guns (Read 5230 times)

JAWS2003 · « **Reply #45 on:** January 22, 2006, 03:03:12 PM »

The problem is with automatically firing of all positions with a clear line of sight when you are gunner. This should never happen. I think you should only fire your gun and have some sort of AI for the rest of them. This kind of precise converging fire in one place is way off for WW2.

999000 · « **Reply #46 on:** January 22, 2006, 04:04:43 PM »

Morpheus nice try sir ... we all know the Bk motto from there own home page is "we don't fly bombers" ..so now you play the wolf in sheep clothes complaining about buffs being too easy when you fly them.........Ok people do your own home work and check Morpheus bombers scores...really.......Current tour 47 sorties .....5 kills...last month 115 sorties 29 kills........nice try Morpheus.
Can't wait to see what the Bk's try next!
~~999000~~

Masherbrum · « **Reply #47 on:** January 22, 2006, 04:43:37 PM »

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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
First of all its a bad idea to attack bombers from the dead 6 position.
always attack from off angles or better yet from the high front 10,11,1 and 2:00 positions
If you do it right you can make a pass from alt, pass on them high to low then extend and climb out in front of them and do it all over again

That being said. Yes Bomber gunnners are probably a bit too accurate.
A large part of this problem is because the gun recoil is not accurately modeled in bombers enabling you to fire from a nice stable platform thus making them laserlike as opposed to all the bouncing shaking and vibrating they should be doing.

Another part of this is the lack of turbulance in the game again enabling the guns to be fired from a nice,stable platform all the time

not to mention that the individual skill and panic level of each gunner doesnt come into effect.
Im sure some gunners were better then others. Some were more prone to panicing while others had nerves fo steel. as well as everything inbetween

Or just ignore what I typed, and basically repeat.

Karaya

Stang · « **Reply #48 on:** January 22, 2006, 04:51:06 PM »

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Originally posted by 999000
Morpheus nice try sir ... we all know the Bk motto from there own home page is "we don't fly bombers" ..so now you play the wolf in sheep clothes complaining about buffs being too easy when you fly them.........Ok people do your own home work and check Morpheus bombers scores...really.......Current tour 47 sorties .....5 kills...last month 115 sorties 29 kills........nice try Morpheus.
Can't wait to see what the Bk's try next!
~~999000~~

Sheesh, lay off the pipe 999. Why is it always some BK conspiracy? He's saying exactly what he thinks, and what he thinks happens to be correct.

Take yourself for example... you regularly mow down multiple enemy fighters in your buffs, and it's not uncommon for you to land 7 or more kills in a run. Do you think a formation of three bombers in WWII ever could equal such a feat? I think not. Bombers flown by good shots in AH are roving deathstars that fighters walk up to for certain death. Lets face it, if bombers are going to be as-modeled in Combat Tour, they won't even need a fighter escort. I understand why HT has modeled them as such, but it doesn't mean I have to agree with it.

Oh and btw read his post again. It wasn't some "I can't shoot down buffs so wahhhh" rant, it was more from the end of HIS experience FLYING bombers and how frankly easy it is to blast anything you want out of the sky.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #49 on:** January 22, 2006, 05:07:18 PM »

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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Or just ignore what I typed, and basically repeat.

Karaya

Probably because I wrote what I wrote. before I read what you wrote.

Happens that way sometimes

RTSigma · « **Reply #50 on:** January 22, 2006, 05:07:59 PM »

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Originally posted by Stang

Do you think a formation of three bombers in WWII ever could equal such a feat? I think not. Bombers flown by good shots in AH are roving deathstars that fighters walk up to for certain death. Lets face it, if bombers are going to be as-modeled in Combat Tour, they won't even need a fighter escort. I understand why HT has modeled them as such, but it doesn't mean I have to agree with it.

The problem is that back then, if you were shot down, you were dead, or captured, or hurt. Here in AH2, you get experience even after you die. The more you kill someone, the more they learn.

People are going to want bombers because A.) They like the challenge and/or B.) They are horrible at piloting fighters. With the convergence, it gives them the chance to possibly make it to target and perform their run. If HTC made the bomber's guns any less effective, then what are they going to do? No one wants to up in a bomber, spend 20mins heading to target and get bounced by a fighter than can down ALL THREE of the bombers while the player has to hope to shoot down the pesky guy with ineffective guns.

Its a game. HTC wants people to have fun. With the convergence people can have fun and pilot bombers.

Just realize this, you don't HAVE TO engage a bomber. You can leave it alone ya know.

SuperDud · « **Reply #51 on:** January 22, 2006, 05:30:39 PM »

Yeah but then they destroy the hangers Sigma. Like I said earlier, no one area(fighters, gvs) have the ability for 1 player to affect so many people. For them to have so much power they should have a rougher time deploying it. Instead they get 3 "lifes" to get there, 30+ machine guns all aimed at the same spot and a lazer accurate bombsite.

I don't think you'd be saying what you say 999 if you saw guys like morph and hub actually trying. Most of the time we up bombers from capped feilds when the toolshed heros knock down the FHs(as always). But when they get the itch to do a honest buff run they rival any of the bomber guys in the game.

AutoPilot · « **Reply #52 on:** January 22, 2006, 05:36:08 PM »

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when the toolshed heros knock down the FHs(as always).

No fighter hangers means less fighters too kill the goon.

jaxxo · « **Reply #53 on:** January 22, 2006, 05:49:52 PM »

ghi has a good point..if i get a formation up on a capped field 2 or 3 enemy ftrs are going down quickly...i have a blast in buffs but i must admit i rarely bomb anything lol..i just like the deathstar aspect..and switching b26 to ftr mode and looping spitfires..etc etc bs but fun

SuperDud · « **Reply #54 on:** January 22, 2006, 07:17:28 PM »

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Originally posted by AutoPilot
No fighter hangers means less fighters too kill the goon.

I dare to guess that only 50-70% of the time are FHs taking down for a legit base capture. In those cases I have absolutely no problem with it. Countless times however you have low furballs right in between 2 enemy bases and some guy whether intentionally or out of ignorance come plowing through leveling the fighter hangers with no other purpose than to stop the fight.

This is getting off topic though and I would like for it to stay on topic. So that's all I'm going to say in the "Furballers vs toolshedders" debate. Feel free to have the last word b/c I'm done with that aspect of it.

999000 · « **Reply #55 on:** January 22, 2006, 07:47:00 PM »

Stang, Morpheus states "its like shooting ducks in a barrel" its so ridiculously easy......." My statement is simply ..show me the impression of what your stating to valididate it as a fact........I simply am demonstrating my truth though FACT that he has some 47 sorties in bombers and 5 kills so far in the current tour. .......is this shooting ducks in a barrel?
BTW I don't find many bomber pilots landing 5 plus kills on a run........I do see frequently fighter pilots landing 5 plus kills....I assume they dang good...I don't asume their is something wrong with the game.
~~999000~~

Morpheus · « **Reply #56 on:** January 22, 2006, 07:51:03 PM »

If a field is capped, and ord is still up, 3-4 of us rolling from a field will break your cap. We did it the other night. I got a few of us rolling bombers from a field dropping eggs to lighten up and get off the runway and before 2-3 minutes was up there wasnt an nme fighter in sight.

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Morpheus nice try sir ... we all know the Bk motto from there own home page is "we don't fly bombers" ..so now you play the wolf in sheep clothes complaining about buffs being too easy when you fly them.........Ok people do your own home work and check Morpheus bombers scores...really.......Current tour 47 sorties .....5 kills...last month 115 sorties 29 kills........nice try Morpheus.

I wonder when you'll graduate english class.

Mind you most of those sorties in bombers were rolling from a fully vulched base to "absorb" enemy fire and help kill a cap. When I did finnaly get up to be able to fire my guns, 2-3 fighters went down with ease each time. I've done this for 4 some odd years now; when a field gets too vulched for a fighter to up, i start rolling bombers. I dont give a 2 chits about score, and I love to smoke a vulcher in the face with a set of B17s so he wont be able to go home to land. I wonder when the Nintendo like gamey bombers will be changed.

Morpheus · « **Reply #57 on:** January 22, 2006, 07:56:43 PM »

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Originally posted by 999000
Stang, Morpheus states "its like shooting ducks in a barrel" its so ridiculously easy......." My statement is simply ..show me the impression of what your stating to valididate it as a fact........I simply am demonstrating my truth though FACT that he has some 47 sorties in bombers and 5 kills so far in the current tour. .......is this shooting ducks in a barrel?
BTW I don't find many bomber pilots landing 5 plus kills on a run........I do see frequently fighter pilots landing 5 plus kills....I assume they dang good...I don't asume their is something wrong with the game.
~~999000~~

Have you looked in past tours Brainiac?

I haven't been playing even half as much this tour as I have in past tours.

Bombers are wrong son.. And not just how their gunners fire. Everything about them reaks of arcadish sludge. They are made easy for newbs to fly. Its gotten to a point now where they are just a joke. And being that CT is going to be using bombers in full swing, I am afraid to see what a joke that is going to be like. I sure as hell do not want to see a formation of 100-250 bombers with fifteen times that amount in lazers shooting at me.

I fought HT's AI fighter. When that thing got guns on you it aimed at your head. That was it, you were dead. I cant imagine what AI bomber gunners are going to be like with a stable and steady gun platform in which to shoot from.

AutoPilot · « **Reply #58 on:** January 22, 2006, 07:57:52 PM »

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I wonder when the Nintendo like gamey bombers will be changed.

make sure you log that with Night time and fuel porking.

Morpheus · « **Reply #59 on:** January 22, 2006, 08:00:09 PM »

I am all for fuel porking. If HT were to go back to the old fuel burn that is...

Night time is ok for upcoming CT. It has no place in the MA.