History of Palestine?

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by weaselsan

"This land is mine....God gave this land to me".

 And the Muslims have veto over this? Islam began in the 7th Century. I believe the Jewish faith is slightly older and have dibs on God given lands.

Saying the land belongs to Isreal today because "God Promised it " to them

Makes about as much sense as Us giving the north ameican continent back to the native americans.

But even if I were to go along with such a silly arguement

If Memory serves correct God gave them the land and promised it to them  but also told them it was up to them to keep it. which, they did not.

The only reason there is an Isreal today is not because God gave the land to them. but rather the UN. Which seems to think its god. but really is not.

Dont get me wrong I have nothing at all against Isreal or the Jews one way or the other.

And if there is an Isreal, or isnt to me is neither here nor there.
But just as a matter of personal opinion I dont see how either side has any more  or less claim to the land then the other

And I just dont buy into the "Because God promised it to us" arguement.

Walk into any court in the world and try and claim something is yours because "God promised it to" you And see what kind of reaction you get.

Its just not a valid arguement

[FiLtH]

How was the land acquired in 1948?  What of the people living there? Did they have a say in the matter?  I just dont see how you can take millions of people and put them somewhere in the world and say here ya go. Someone got the short end of the stick.

  Personally I think after the waste of the jews in ww2, much of the world felt they were owed something, and did what they did..and felt ok with it. During the cold war, its location made most folks think of them as the "good" people living among those less good.

   Now...all the smoke is starting to clear and people are asking questions.

[Yeager]

I say whoever can kick the **** out of the other guy deserves the land.  Thats the way its always been.  Im honestly amazed the jews havent eradicated the arabs as a matter of neccessity.  The jews had better wipe those islamic suiciders out before they get their hands on a nuclear warhead.  

Its either the jews get wiped out or the arabs.....who would you prefer???

[nirvana]

Originally posted by FiLtH
How was the land acquired in 1948?  What of the people living there? Did they have a say in the matter?  I just dont see how you can take millions of people and put them somewhere in the world and say here ya go. Someone got the short end of the stick.

  Personally I think after the waste of the jews in ww2, much of the world felt they were owed something, and did what they did..and felt ok with it. During the cold war, its location made most folks think of them as the "good" people living among those less good.

   Now...all the smoke is starting to clear and people are asking questions.

The allies felt sorry for the Jews so they got friendly and gave them a nice chunk of "holy land" as said in the map previously posted.  

It started because after the demise of the Ottoman Empire after WW1, Britain and France mostly but a few other countries gained control of the land that was the former Ottoman Empire.  What to do with all the land that they gained? Give it to Jews that were almost obliviated by the Nazis.

Blame the Ottoman Empire, not the U.N.

[straffo]

Originally posted by nirvana
I've always laughed when someone called themselves Palestinian, or said something about how they should have their own country.  On the basis that it never even frickin existed is why I laugh.  Thank you for making it even clearer Weasalsan.


Palestinian citizens

Nothing a extermination camp  can't solve.

It's funny how the Lebensunwertes Leben addict allways have a good legal reason to behave like complusive cretin (I'm thinking of you among others weaseldork,nirvana )






Hi res map is availlable here :
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e8/1759_map_Holy_Land_and_12_Tribes.jpg

It's the way how I feel now in this BBS.
source page : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israelites



Your truly

[bozon]

Originally posted by Thrawn
I see your point.  But at the same time the annexed further Palestinian land with thier wall.

While the wall in most parts lies a little east to the 1948 cease fire lines (the "green line"), the land between the wall and the green line has not been oficially annexed and is still considered occupied territory by Israeli law. The only land officially annexed is the eastern part of Jerusalem.

The land captured in 1967 was taken from Jordan and Egypt, not from Palestine. Those coutries do not want it back, especially Jordan whose Hashemite ruling minority fear of a Palestinian take over. Jordan was willing to give away the west bank to get rid of those people, just as much as Israel plans to, for the exact same reason. So now you have people stuck here, who are arabs but not Hashemites, who have no country that wants them. If you want, that could be the definition of Palestinians.

From the Israeli point of view, 1948 lines are cease fire lines (not recognized international borders) just as much as 1967 are cease fire lines. The fact that the arab world suddenly see 1948 lines as borders is already a vast improvement (if only they had recognize it BEFORE 1967...).

Bozon

[crowMAW]

Originally posted by straffo

Hi res map is availlable here :
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e8/1759_map_Holy_Land_and_12_Tribes.jpg[/IMG]

I'll give translating a shot (although there are still some words I can't figure out)

HOLY LANDS
or(?)
PALESTINE
shown along with
the old kingdoms
JUDA and ISRAEL
from the flight of the 12 separate Tribes
but also
different boundaries at the time
necessarily created
and declared by the Sacred People (countrymen).
A GEOGRAPHICAL MAP
decorative novalty
made in the Studio of
Tobiae Conradi Lotter
Geographer
published August
1759

I dunno...my Latin is pretty rusty.  Seagoon will probably do a much better job.

[Delirium]

Straffo, I find that post horribly offensive and belongs on the 'StormFront' forums.

edit: I was refering to the first line of your reply.

That said, I'll bet your grandmother had her head shaved in 1944.

[Silat]

Originally posted by Thrawn
Who is this "they" and "them" you are talking about, or you just making sweeping generalisations about the Palestinians?  I saw polling research done by a joint Isreali/Palestinian organization that showed that the majority of both are willing to recognise the right for both nations to exist if it ment peace.

They = Hamas, fanatics the current political power......Arent you following the jist of this thread?

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by Silat
They = Hamas, fanatics the current political power......Arent you following the jist of this thread?

Yeah, it's about Palestine and Palestinians.  Don't know how to write for clarity?  



Bozon, thanks for the information.

[straffo]

Originally posted by Delirium
Straffo, I find that post horribly offensive and belongs on the 'StormFront' forums.

edit: I was refering to the first line of your reply.

 

How it is less offensive than your sentence below :


 

That said, I'll bet your grandmother had her head shaved in 1944. [/B]

For your information in 1944 she was already dead ,killed at birkenau during winter 1943

now I guess you won't apologise.

[Delirium]

It is called 'tit for tat'.

If you're going to swing, expect reprisals.

[Delirium]

Besides, anyone that embraces extermination camps should expect someone to question the loyalty of their family during WWII.

[lasersailor184]

Hey guys, like I posted in the other thread (which people probably ignored anyway) was that Palestine is a geographical area.

A country is a political area.  I.E. You can redraw the borders of germany.  But you cannot change the location of the Bavarian Forest.

[straffo]

Originally posted by Delirium
Besides, anyone that embraces extermination camps should expect someone to question the loyalty of their family during WWII.

My prettythang , I was not the one questioning the existence of other human being regarding only their existence from an administrative point of view.




And btw I also question the loyalty of your familly

In fact as you didn't apologise , it don't need to be a nobel price to understand were your fidelity is going, mister Nazi.