Supreme court to re-visit late term abortion ban

[Red Tail 444]

Originally posted by StSanta
Right now she is Silat.

Soon she is not.

I say this: I reserve the right to use violence against any unwarranted parasite that may, against my will, sustain itself through me, even if my actions lead to conditions where it could do so.

Of course, I'm a dude and won't get preggie. But if a little vampire parasite kid sucked on to my leg and started bleeding me dry, it'd be clobbering time, laws against it or not.

...note to self...never leave Santa alone with needy kids

[Red Tail 444]

Originally posted by Shuckins

I consider all arguments in favor of abortion as nothing but self-serving tripe designed to liberate free spirits from the consequences of the sexual revolution.  As a society we need to stop worshiping our nads and practice a little restraint...or use one of many readily available contraceptives.

And, of course, the only time you had sex was to procreate

[GtoRA2]

Originally posted by StSanta
Right now she is Silat.

Soon she is not.

I say this: I reserve the right to use violence against any unwarranted parasite that may, against my will, sustain itself through me, even if my actions lead to conditions where it could do so.

Of course, I'm a dude and won't get preggie. But if a little vampire parasite kid sucked on to my leg and started bleeding me dry, it'd be clobbering time, laws against it or not.

Damn, if only your mother had the same mindset.


Like it or not you are talking about human life.

[Thrawn]

Cripes, 9 a year?

[Shuckins]

Red,

I had sex for the same reason as anybody else who engages in it...when the opportunity presented itself I was afraid my brain would blow a gasket if I didn't.

Whether I did or did not avail myself of the gift presented...the sun still came up the next day.

Aborting the consequences of my actions never crossed my mind.

The point is I consider human life to be sacred...especially that of the unborn.  In fact, I grant extra worth to that form of life because it cannot speak for itself, and since it is unseen many in our society refuse to acknowledge it as human.  Convenience takes precedence over life.

The arguments presented by abortion proponents are shallow and childish.
So few women die in childbirth these days that the argument that abortion is necessary to save lives is specious at best.  One-and-a-half million abortions a year is FAR beyond necessity.

[Silat]

Originally posted by StSanta
Right now she is Silat.

Soon she is not.

I say this: I reserve the right to use violence against any unwarranted parasite that may, against my will, sustain itself through me, even if my actions lead to conditions where it could do so.

Of course, I'm a dude and won't get preggie. But if a little vampire parasite kid sucked on to my leg and started bleeding me dry, it'd be clobbering time, laws against it or not.

THis is the slippery slope Santa..

[Scatcat]

http://www.drtiller.com/elect.html

"At Women's Health Care Services, we specialize in "late" abortion care. We are able to perform elective abortions to the time in the pregnancy when the fetus is viable. Viability is not a set point in time. Viability is determined by the attending physician and is based on sonogram results, physical examination and last menstrual period date (if known). Our telephone counselors will ask you a number of medical questions to determine if you are eligible for an elective abortion. If you have visited another clinic or physician, we will ask for the results from a recent ultrasound.

Kansas law allows for post-viability abortion procedures when continuing the pregnancy is detrimental to the pregnant woman's health. Each person's circumstances are reviewed on a case-by-base basis. Please call so that we can discuss admission criteria with you."
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Late term abortions are not rare. They are well hidden in abortion surgical centers across the country because these things are not necessarily done in hospitals.  ID&E or any other terms are used to mask the procedures and make them sound scientific so the staff can function in an efficient way without dwelling on thier actions, and so the patient's can cope with their actions.

As far as viability.  My experience is that 24-26 weeks gestation is about the earliest a "fetus" is viable.  Its not a prefect and exact science to get the dates right.  A good doc can be pretty close though.  Regardless, someone is deciding who shall live and who shall die in all of this.  Shall it be the mother, govt., doctor, or father to decide?  Someone is going to limit someone elses "rights".  The question is who will prevail and who will succumb to the final outcome.  Shall it be the mother (and her health) or the "fetus".  Who has the right to decide?

I tend to fall on the side of nature on this one.  Is it natural for a doctor to pull the entire contents of the fetus minus the head and suck the brains out of an infant in the third trimester to deliver the empty skull.  Who here besides me has delivered a third trimester infant breech.  Delivering the head is no more dangerous to the mother than the rest of the body.  Is it not more natural to have the mother complete her gestation and deliver her child as intended by the Creator.  And is it not possible in this day of medical advances to provide surgical support in the event it is needed to deliver an intact child.  I don't buy the aurgument that this is a needed procedure to protect the mother's health.  I don't see the need.  I have never been in this situation because this situation is a farce.

I want to know who here has seen an abortion?  Who here has delivered or intubated the trachea of a 750gm infant?  Here is you chance to speak up and identify yourself.  Let the experts of you speak.  I am sick of the monday morning quarterback abortionist talk.  You know the one's who have the loudest opinions yet don't know of what they speak.

It come down to this.  Selfish motovation.  Look at all the players involved in an abortion decision and tell me who is the one individual involved without a selfish motive.

And for the thick headed out there, yes I am a physician.

[Scatcat]

Originally posted by Delirium
Like I posted above, accidents were usually termed as 'abruptio placentae' to save the family the embarassment, so it is impossible to really know.

Suffice to say, we all have heard stories of coathangers and pushing a mother down the stairs on purpose. However, I'd rather see it all legalized than see a mother hemorrhage doing it herself.

Here is a graph, but I'd imagine this is a very conservative estimate. Note, it is hosted by a pro-abortion site, but is labeled 'National Center for Health Statistics'.

I love the scale on this graph.  Give me the data on the number of women that have died or been injured due to legal abortions.  Oh thats right, no one knows because the govt. doesn't require this data to be collected.

[StSanta]

THis is the slippery slope Santa..

What kind of footwear do you have Silat?

Mine are Stomping Boots. Good grip on 'em too. I suspect you ave something similar.

[Scatcat]

Originally posted by midnight Target
What a load of crap!

There are thousands of medical procedures that could be described here that would curl your toes... doesn't make them wrong.

Women getting a very late term abortion aren't doing it for fun. There is invariably a medical reason for the procedure. Like saving the mother's life or maintaining her health. Any other reason should get a doctor thrown out of his profession.

Do you really want to take this decision out of the hands of the physician and give it to the government? I thought conservatives were against socialized medicine?

MT you are very niave to believe that doctors are not motivated in selfish ways.  Docs are human beings and abortion is very lucrative.  Cash up front like the plastic surgeons get.  It is very easy for a less than perfectly honest doc to make a buck.  And in the process proclaim its in the best intrest of the patient.  Unfortunately the abortionist don't deal with the depression that develops a decade later (not as lucrative).

[Eagler]

I was banned for posting that very same animated gif

wtg sir

this argument would be funny if it were not so pathetic

one day we will view abortion as we think of ppl being fed to lions in front of thousands or stoning someone to death or just straight up pre-mediated murder ... one day

[Nash]

Eagler would you support abortion any time up until 3 months, but not after?

[Nash]

Chasing the googly-eyed kool-aid freaks outta here is too easy. As it damned well should be.

[Yeager]

I have decided that a womans access to abortion should be protected, but I hate the reality of killing innocent defenseless human beings in the wombs of their mothers just because the mother does not want to be pregnant.  There are justified reason for abortion, and their are selfish unjustified reasons too.  Maybe women who abuse abortion should have their tubes tied.

[Nash]

Sounds reasonable enough, Yeager.

I'm afraid we're gonna have to differ on your prose: "killing innocent defenseless human beings in the wombs of their mothers."

But that's okay. If there's common ground, I'm glad to see it. Perhaps chip away at the margins and come up with something agreeable to both.