Author Topic: "I'm very, very sorry ... " (Read 2567 times)

Eagler · « **on:** July 27, 2001, 07:51:00 AM »

Why does this matter? What's the big deal when a convicted murder shows remorse or doesn't show it? Why is this an issue at all? It doesn't change the result actions of his actions one bit. His depth of sorrow, or lack of, doesn't bring back his victim.
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010726/ts/crime_boy_dc_5.html

14 year old boy, get's expelled from school, goes and gets a gun, walks back into school and blows teachers brains out at the door of his classroom (all of this caught on video). No question at all of his guilt. So why in the hell does the media make such a big stinking deal whether or not some murdering punk is "so sorry" he committed the crime. I don't get it. Maybe one of our warm and fuzzy liberal friends can explain this mentality to this mean ole republican. This kid has done the crime, now he should do the time - as much as possible. His punishment, under current FL law, is a 25 to life sentence. Being a 14 year old punk instead of a 18 year old punk, he can't be executed. Shame.

I'm very, very sorry that the best I can hope for justice in this case is a scenerio in which my tax dollars, will house, feed, clothe and entertain this scum for the rest of his life....

AcId · « **Reply #1 on:** July 27, 2001, 07:56:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Eagler:
Being a 14 year old punk instead of a 18 year old punk, he can't be executed. Shame.

Total shame.....No matter your age, if you have the mental capacity to murder, then the same should be allowed in return.

blur · « **Reply #2 on:** July 27, 2001, 10:33:00 AM »

I’m not condoning what this child did, but a thirteen-year-old is not an adult and does not have the thinking facility of an adult. An adult and a child live in two completely different worlds. Personally, I don’t consider a person to be a “true” adult until much later, women around eighteen, men around thirty-five.

Did this kid harbor some vicious intent to kill? I doubt it. He was probably “screwing around” without the mental capacity to understand his actions. I remember running around playing cops and robbers at this age. The difference is that instead of air guns this kid had access to the real thing. Couple this with the fact that he apparently had no adult supervision and you have trouble.

Also this is a poor black kid. If he were rich and white would he be in the same predicament?

Using your reasoning of never forgiving someone for their actions G.W. would still not be able to drive a car because of his prior DUI.

A society that eats its young is a society in decay.

Eagler · « **Reply #3 on:** July 27, 2001, 10:45:00 AM »

Fla. Teen Gets 28-Year Sentence in School Killing

Pathetic!

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010727/ts/crime_boy_dc_6.html

I'm sure you'd want him moving into your neighborhood after he has served his time & is "rehabilitated"....
Our justice system is a joke! I feel for the teachers family, they can't even take solace in the fact justice has been served.

Eagler · « **Reply #4 on:** July 27, 2001, 10:47:00 AM »

roadkill BLUR!!!

A 14 year old knows that pointing a gun in someones face and pulling the trigger will kill him...

Maybe you could adopt him and guide him into becoming a respectful member of society....roadkill buddy!

Oh YEAH don't forget ur freakin race card ahole!

I don't care if the kid was green, rich or poor - you kill someone you deserve more than 28 years in jail ... get a grip blur, you must be a real hoot in person...

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blur · « **Reply #5 on:** July 27, 2001, 11:23:00 AM »

Why do you right-wingers always resort to personal attacks when you hear an opposing opinion? Almost all the posters in this forum do it.

Is it lack of originality?

Or perhaps your rage comes from the fact that mommy and daddy didn’t pay enough attention to you when you were thirteen years old?

-sudz- · « **Reply #6 on:** July 27, 2001, 11:25:00 AM »

To return to your original concern, Eagler, the fact that the boy apologized is important because it re-affirms people's faith in their societal contract: you be good, i'll be good.

It shows that he recognizes the moral validity of his accusers and hence, the punishment. Alot of people like this kind of absolution for having to punish someone - the criminal agrees with the enforcers. And for most people, the more you agree with me the cooler you are.

I don't subscribe to this view but if you want to know why people make a fuss of his apologizing then think of it as a salve for an average Joe who's life was briefly disturbed by hearing a killer was in their midst, and now shows signs of becoming a non-killer.

Personally I thought there were more important stories to cover.

-Sudz

Eagler · « **Reply #7 on:** July 27, 2001, 12:02:00 PM »

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Or perhaps your rage comes from the fact that mommy and daddy didn’t pay enough attention to you when you were thirteen years old?

Yep that's it Blur, dam you're good!

Nice non personal attack - butt wipe.

SOB · « **Reply #8 on:** July 27, 2001, 12:46:00 PM »

Come on Blur, were you retarded until the age of 18? I didn't think so. When I was 13 I knew the difference between a living person and a dead one and what the result would be if I shot someone in the face. They'd be dead, and they wouldn't come back. Now, it's been 13 years since I was 13, and kids are getting more mature at younger ages. This kid new exactly what he was doing, and sorry or not, I'd be happy to see him taken to the gas chamber.

If he was white and rich and my next door neighbor who mows my lawn, I'd feel the same way. Race has nothing to do with it.

SOB

BTW...the retarded bit wasn't a stab, just making a point. I knew right from wrong, alive from dead when I was 13, and I'm sure you did too.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #9 on:** July 27, 2001, 12:55:00 PM »

Kids know from a very young age what is alive, and what is dead. This was cold-blooded 1st degree murder, and probably a racist murder (teacher was white) but our society isn't ready to handle reverse-racism yet.

mietla · « **Reply #10 on:** July 27, 2001, 01:03:00 PM »

Remember the Menendez brother's case? They blew away they parents using shotguns at the point blank range.

The defense pleaded for leniency arguing that the brothers are orphans.

Nifty · « **Reply #11 on:** July 27, 2001, 01:05:00 PM »

the kid knew what he was doing, unless he's mentally retarded, he knew. Scary thing is I bet he doesn't even serve 25 years. Couple of kids in England kidnapped a toddler from a mall, tortured him, killed him, and left him on the train tracks to get dismembered. They were 11 or so when they did this. At 18, they're released, given new identities for THEIR protection, and are allowed back into society. Well, at least we can see this isn't a US only problem.

Great world we live in; glad I just have cats at the moment.

mietla · « **Reply #12 on:** July 27, 2001, 01:45:00 PM »

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At 18, they're released, given new identities for THEIR protection, and are allowed back into society.

Europe is civilized and sophisticated, you know. Not like the barbaric USA.

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Ripsnort · « **Reply #13 on:** July 27, 2001, 02:23:00 PM »

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Great world we live in; glad I just have cats at the moment.

I used to feel that way too when I had no kids, but, you know what, you do worry alittle more, but the reward they give you in return outweighs everything else in life. Not only that, you can raise them to be responsible, good kids if you spend some quality time with them and invade their privacy until they're 18

mrfish · « **Reply #14 on:** July 27, 2001, 02:25:00 PM »

the legal idea of remorse after the crime is crucial to the treatment of the criminal.

there is a greater need to keep a cold remorseless person off the streets for a longer period of time than someone who shows remorse. why? because someone who shows remorse is less likely to repeat their act.

it is like sticking your finger in a light socket twice. if a person has no remorse then there is a high probability they will repeat their crime because their is no internal mechanism to stop them.

we all know that - that's why it's built into the law. and it should stay built into the law.

this is the crucial part though eagler: judges are supposed to exercise discretion and JUDGE whether said remorse is genuine or not - that's why we have them - some things like emotions or mental states require a human to judge their authenticity.

every worthless lieing lawyer is going to try to get their client off regardless of how heinous they are becuase they have sold their souls for money and the vanity that comes from winning more cases than their competitors.

the 1st thing they will do is lie and then they will get the defendant to lie if there is an advantage to it. in the end a lawyer isn't fulfilling what he interprets as his fiduciary duty to the client unless he tries like hell to get him off so....:

blame the judge!

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