Right Wing or Left Wing...I'm confused.

[weazel]

Originally posted by Ripsnort in another thread:
I am particularly interested in replies from our friends that are left of center, the FD-ski's, the Weazels, the Nash's, etc.  Whats your take on this?  National security issue or infringement on ones rights?

I'm curious, why am I labeled "left of center"?

Is it because I think Bush is a dolt, because I recognize Ashcroft as the racist that he is, or because I find right wing philosophy contemptable?

I believe in a strong military, am against abortion on demand, believe in God, so what criteria do you right wingers use to label people?

No matter what label the right wing may apply to me or my beliefs I feel secure in the knowledge that I'm on the RIGHT side in regards to the Constitution and Bill of Rights of the United States of America.

[Sky Viper]

Originally posted by weazel:


I'm curious, why am I labeled "left of center"?

Is it because I think Bush is a dolt, because I recognize Ashcroft as the racist that he is, or because I find right wing philosophy contemptable?

I believe in a strong military, am against abortion on demand, believe in God, so what criteria do you right wingers use to label people?

No matter what label the right wing may apply to me or my beliefs I feel secure in the knowledge that I'm on the RIGHT side in regards to the Constitution and Bill of Rights of the United States of America.

LOL...I love this Right Wing, Left Wing crap.

The need to lable is a VERY curious human trait.
And the "Left of Center" or "Right of Center" is just plain funny!

Step back and clear the wing ideas from your mind. Now, think about the center. THE CENTER! The middle...half way from either side, the mean of the average, the point where ballance can be found.

Ballance?  Good idea.
See, the biggest problem in our country (USA) is that we have to much load on the wings!  What I mean is: while we may be centered and somewhat ballanced, we have more stress because of the distances that are created by moving further from the center.
For the past 4 weeks, we have all been drawn to the center, and America has had a SUPERB mental ballance.
Now the wings are begining to get loaded again and the ballance is shifting.

Criteria:  Weazel, you want to know what criteria was used to label you, but you also designate a label when you say "...you right wingers."
What are your criteria?  When you realize what criteria you use, then hold it to the mirror and you will have an answer to your own question.

Constitution/Bill of Rights:  Yes, you are holding to the design of these great documents; in part.  What you are failing to identify is that the authors of these documents realized that change is a necessary part of existance.  They designed these documents, and our government, so that change can be embraced.
What that means is that 2 different ideals are both acceptable.
Consider also that the truth may lie in the middle of 2 different ideals. This truth may be, and often is, the ballance that is shared by the "True" majority.

I hope that inspires some anti wing philosophy.  

When we do not allow ourselves to cross the line, we force an unballance that must be countered to maintain ballance.
IE. NO ABORTION PERIOD...ballanced by...AT WILL ABORTION.  Forcing extremes. The obvious middle is to eliminate the need for the majority. However, because the 2 wings are so intent on getting their way, they can't find a way to eliminate the need.
So, organizations are founded to try to eliminate the need.  Then, because these organizations do not fit into either of the wing's ideals, they come under attack from the wings.  All the while, the wings are too stubborn to see the solution lies in the center.

One other example: Gun control and the wings.
No guns, no one can die of a gunshot.  Everyone has a gun, then anyone can die from a gunshot.  The middle...why does anyone need to be shot?  Because they don't agree with the POV of a wing.

Viper

[koala]

The "wings" aren't loaded at all.  They just yell and scream more than the great majority that rides in the center.

And unfortunately the media gobbles it up because controversy is entertainment.  The vast majority in the middle makes for boring news.

[1776]

Please name one, just one, "middle of the roader" who did anything of note in US history?

Our strength doesn't lie in the middle, it lies in the "wings".  The middle is made up of people who are waiting to find out which way the wind blows.  These are sheep, not people with strong political beliefs. The US will lose in every way if everyone was a "middle of the roader".  Give me people with views that are opposed to each other and I will show you the very heart of our Republic.  The wings produce, through political debate, a direction a nation like the US needs to be fresh and vibrante!!

[-ammo-]

if you dont stand for something, you will fall for anything.

and i agree with 1776.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by 1776:
Please name one, just one, "middle of the roader" who did anything of note in US history?

Our strength doesn't lie in the middle, it lies in the "wings".  The middle is made up of people who are waiting to find out which way the wind blows.  These are sheep, not people with strong political beliefs. The US will lose in every way if everyone was a "middle of the roader".  Give me people with views that are opposed to each other and I will show you the very heart of our Republic.  The wings produce, through political debate, a direction a nation like the US needs to be fresh and vibrante!!

An interesting perspective. Unfortunately, it seems that our modern electoral process favors the candidate that strides the middle ground.

[capt. apathy]

Please name one, just one, "middle of the roader" who did anything of note in US history?

i could name thousands, i see them every day when i get up and go to work. they are on the highways and jobs all over this country.
we're kinda hard to notice but if you look close you'll see that we are the ones paying the bills, growing the food, delivering it to your stores,  keeping the lights on, ...ect
  most of your loud right wing/left wing types just have too much time on there hands.
the only people who's opinions you hear are those with enough money to make there opinion heard or those with enough spare time to go to meetings and form comittees and coalitions(collage students, housewifes, and wellfare types,  basicly those who have sombody else paying there bills for them)

[1776]

"i could name thousands, i see them every day when i get up and go to work. they are on the highways and jobs all over this country.
we're kinda hard to notice but if you look close you'll see that we are the ones paying the bills, growing the food, delivering it to your stores, keeping the lights on, ...ect"

_____________________________ _________________________

You have just defined what a conservative is.    Welcome to the extreme right wing
Work ethic, and playing by the rules. Ya, you are an extreme right winger  Welcome to the club

Most people live their lives as conservatives and even if they hold political views that are left they still  play by the rules  Ain't this a great country

[MrBill]

Nother wish I could remember where I heard this

"If you are not a liberal at 20 you have no heart,
if you are not a conservative at 40 you have no mind."

Of course the above does not apply if you inherited wealth, are a third generation welfare recipient, or a political science major.  

[Yeager]

I try not to "wing" anyone.

I use my "mind" to decide what is best for myself and when some other "mind" decides something at odds with my what my "mind" decides I become naturally defensive.

Example:
Bush is as much a "dolt" as I or you are.  No more, no less for he is simply a man.

Guns are a tool that I will not be denied use of and access to.

Abortion is justifiable homicide and not protected by the federal constitution.

many other examples but I will digress by saying that I agree to get along with eveyone else that agrees to get along with me.  If a person tells me that they are going to kill me or demonstrates that they intend to do me harm then I will quite simply kill them first.

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[weazel]

Criteria:  Weazel, you want to know what criteria was used to label you, but you also designate a label when you say "...you right wingers."

Fair enough, I only use "right wing" to catagorize the self named "conservatives" as they use "left wing" or "liberal" to describe others who don't agree with their <lol> 'vision for America'.

Constitution/Bill of Rights:  Yes, you are holding to the design of these great documents; in part.  What you are failing to identify is that the authors of these documents realized that change is a necessary part of existance. They designed these documents, and our government, so that change can be embraced.
What that means is that 2 different ideals are both acceptable.

Bzzztt, I don't agree with ANY changes to what the founding fathers envisioned.

I.E - certain inalienable rights afforded citizens of the U.S. -it's worked well for our 225 year history, it's not something to be fooled with, especially by the temporary occupant of the white house or his boot licking lackeys.

I find it strange the so called "leftist liberals" on this board hold these concepts as inviolable but the so called *right* wing is ready to toejam can them.

[StSanta]

You need both wings to fly  

[leonid]

Ohh, that's good, StSanta  

[Tumor]

The problem with either side are those who interpret perfectly clear, concise rights set forth in the Constitution in a manner to fit thier own agenda....something liberals and conservatives do with equal enthusiasm.  My own convictions lead me as a middle of the roader to the conservative side.  Why?...because liberals oppose the death sentence and support abortion (generally speaking), thats enough to get me thinking there's something....just not quite right about liberalism.  Also...if it takes a so-called dolt to answer terrorism properly, then I'll vote for any dolt in any election.  I'd like to know WHY this guy is a dolt...I just don't see it.

Tumor

[ 10-14-2001: Message edited by: Tumor ]

[Dowding]

Why?...because liberals oppose the death sentence and support abortion (generally speaking), thats enough to get me thinking there's something....just not quite right about liberalism.

Turn that statement around. Given that no legal system convicts the right people 100% of the time, it follows that innocent people will be executed by capital punishment. Therefore, if conservatives oppose abortion and support the death sentence (generally speaking), doesn't that get you thinking "there's something... just not quite right about conservatism."?

Your generalisation don't make much sense, do they?