HiTech, couple of questions on collisions

[Ouch]

Originally posted by Docc
All I'm saying is that in collisions with another plane (not debris) the collider should sustain the damage.  On the collidee's front end it was a clear miss so why does the collidee pay for it by sustaining damage while the collider flies off unharmed.

Docc,

In this situation, one of three things happened.

1.  You also collided with him.
2.  He shot you (before or AFTER the collision).  I can't count the number of planes I've shot down that, once they are unflyable, and flapping around in the breeze, hold the trigger down, hoping for a lucky bullet.
3.  Someone else you did not see shot you.

You did NOT receive damage from his collision with you, or from any debris from that collision, unless you collided with his (still manned) cockpit (in which case you WILL receive the "you have collided with XXX" message).

[ColdKill]

Originally posted by Kaw1000
about The only time I collide with someone is on a HO........Dont HO and most of the time you will not collide......and yes I've been killed by falling Plane parts  or when I shoot a guys down and I run into thier parts!!

You just suk and can't get in close enough to collide:D

[B@tfinkV]

holy mackeral batman, GIVE UP with this topic already.



THE RAM MODEL IS NOT GUNNA CHANGE, IF THAT PISSES YOU OFF STOP FLYING INTO PEOPLE.

[hubsonfire]

Thanks for the flyby backseat mod, bat, but the thread's not about changing the model, it's about eliminating some of the misconceptions about the current model.

We're all about education here.

[FiLtH]

In the time ive flown here, Ive only once been in a collision where it didnt look like we should have hit on my end. DO a test with someone. Go spinner to spinner a few time no firing. Ive done this. Both people take damage.

Now go spinner to spinner but at the last second one of you yank to avoid. That person may lose an elevator, but still be flyable, where the other guy goes down from damage. Atleast thats how it worked for me.

[Donzo]

Originally posted by FiLtH
Now go spinner to spinner but at the last second one of you yank to avoid. That person may lose an elevator, but still be flyable, where the other guy goes down from damage. Atleast thats how it worked for me.

Who got what message(s) in this test?

[Casper1]

Just wanted to report that i had faith in the Collision model ... until last night.

Let me explain, and please note, I am not complaining.  I don't care much about the death.  I hope this info helps in the debugging of the software/algorithm.

I am piloting a P38L (quite experten if you ask me ).  I drop eggs on VH, climb out fast.   A Niki with high CAP dives on me and has E advantage.  He puts a single cannon round into me, and misses with the rest.  Niki then collides with me, from behind.   I lose an aileron, Niki gets Engine Oil hit (black smoke).

I got the "XXX" has collided with you" message.  

He flies to my 9-o clock, climbing a little to maintain some E advantage.  I see this, and roll towards him to minimize his AoA when he comes back.   He sees me roll towards him, and proceeds to roll at me for the head-on merge.

We both open fire (cuz i know he's gonna shoot, so i figure i should too, instead of dying 'like a gentleman').   He misses me entirely.  I land a few on his front quarter and pull up to avoid hitting him.  

He hits me, I get the "XXX has collided with you" message.  This time, my tail comes off completely, and I spiral to my demise.  

The Niki FLIES ON, missing no control surfaces.    SIGH.  

[Darkish]

When you pulled up he shot your tail off then rammed you

[Docc]

I might agree that the collision model works as Hitech states it does (not sure yet)...........but it is way too sensitive considering the differences in internet connections, packet loss, lag, and what people see on their front ends.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Docc
I might agree that the collision model works as Hitech states it does (not sure yet)..........

ROFL
Docc, believe me when I tell ya that HT has a pretty good working knowledge of Aces High.  

[Casper1]

Originally posted by Darkish
When you pulled up he shot your tail off then rammed you

I considered this possibility, but i highly doubt it considering the angles on our merge.  Can't confrim this being the case, or confrim otherwise without video, I know.

I also didnt hear the sound of a hit before/during the collision, and usually, i will on this sort of situation.

[hitech]

Originally posted by hitech

And make no mistake even thow I state this clearly people will still claim otherwise do to there "incorrect perceptions".
HiTech

[Casper1]

he still hit me twice and took less damage than me

just telling you what i saw - not trying to make trouble or anything.

[E25280]

Hypothesis / question out of pure ignorance . . .

Plane A "collides with" plane B, while plane B receives no collision message.

Just so happens that plane "A" collides on his "front end" in such a way that his plane's weapons and ammo section (say on the wing) strikes plane B's tail.

Is it possible in this instance that plane A registers a "hit" of his ammo vs. plane B?  This "hit" would take a milisecond to be transfered to plane B's front end, and would tend to correspond with the message "plane A has collided with you".

Far fetched, grasping at straws, etc. I know.  I am just looking for a logical explanation of so many "incorrect perceptions" that might include "I never heard any hits."

[Donzo]

Do trees get the "Someone has collieded with you" message when I run into them?