Mosquito defensive maneuvers

[thrila]

I don't think i've ever said i can make the mossie fly like a spit but i do believe it can be flown competetivly if you fly it to it's strengths.

I disagree with keeping the mossie fast. I believe the mossies greatest assets are it's firepower and it's E bleed.  The mossie turns well at high speed so i use it aggressively.  Dive before an engagement for some speed (so will the con generally) and use your superior E bleed to work the angle.  The mossie is also excellent for forcing cons to overshoot, which i enjoy.  The flaps on the mossie can be used <200mph which can also help to gain angles momenterily, excess flap useage will make the mossie fall out of the sky though.

Basically- be aggressive, go for the angle to bring your guns to bear.

Dedalos i'll be more thna happy to help you out when i get back to AH, though i've not flown for a long time so i expect it'll take me a week or so to get into the swing of things myself i.e stalling the mossie and crashing.

I'll definately post some films when i get home, though i may have some stored on my PC up here in leeds so i may post some tomorrow if i have any.

[Karnak]

It is funny to watch an La-7 flop around in front of a Mossie, in a panic to avoid the quad of Hispano's, yet unable to shake what the silly La-7 driver had dismissed as a mere bomber and non-threat.


It is thanks to the people who say "Leave it in the hanger" or "HO and vulche only" that I get told things by people I fight along the lines of "Wow, I had no idea the Mossie was that manuverable."  I have gotten comments like that after winning and after losing fights because they had to work for a kill that others just let them have.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by SgtPappy
the question's been bugging me... how exactly (both in AH and real life) did the mosquito escape or fight with enemy fighters? it's a bomber which, therefore, focused on destroying ground enemies rather than enemy planes (which only need to be destroyed defensively) so im pretty sure it had a negative kill ratio. however, from what i read about AH, im not sure if the mossie can survive enemy attacks regardless of the e/a position. would any1 like to clear things up for me, as it is my favorite bomber?

The Mossie is a Fighter.   It is NOT a Bomber.  It is a FIGHTER that happens to have the ability to carry BOMBS.   Also, I've had great success defending fields in one, etc.  

Karaya

[thrila]

Well i looked and i don't have any films on my PC @ leeds.  I'll popin and post a few films when i get to plym on tues.

[Scherf]

Whatever films tha-rill-laaaaaa posts, you must ignore them.

As I've said here before, the Mossie is an unmaneuverable slug which can neither defend itself nor present a credible threat.

In the unlikely even you encounter a Mossie, you must attack it immediately, whatever your relative energy state. Pay the cannon no heed, as the Mossie cannot bring them to bear.

This has been a public service announcement.

[dedalos]

Another thread with people talkign about how good they can be in a plane that only a few know how to fly the right way.  Only, it is people that don't really fly the plane, or don't even play the game.  

I did learn one thing though.  If in a Mossie, make sure you have some alt so you can push your nose down  Seems to be the main ACM mentioned in all posts.  Don't confuse alt and speed with skill

[Furball]

wasnt the bomber mossie the allied combat aircraft with the lowest loss/sortie rate?

I fly mossie as a fighter in MA occasionally, it can be very competitive as Frilla says, you just need to not fly it like a sissy.  Acceleration seems to be very bad though so once you get caught slow it is hard to regain E.

[Karnak]

dedalos,

No, I don't play anymore.

That doesn't mean I didn't play or that I didn't rack up thousands of kills in the Mossie.

You are an idiot if you expect us how to match things like the Spit 16 or 109G-14 in the Mossie.  It obviously can't do that with equal pilots.  If you are expecting us to tell you why its ENY should be 5, you won't get it.

What we can tell you is that it is usable in air-to-air combat if flown with panache.  You don't want to believe that because all you are looking for is the best, easiest fighter to use.

In that case, stay far away from the Mossie and bugger off.

[dedalos]

Originally posted by Karnak
dedalos,

No, I don't play anymore.

That doesn't mean I didn't play or that I didn't rack up thousands of kills in the Mossie.

You are an idiot if you expect us how to match things like the Spit 16 or 109G-14 in the Mossie.  It obviously can't do that with equal pilots.  If you are expecting us to tell you why its ENY should be 5, you won't get it.

What we can tell you is that it is usable in air-to-air combat if flown with panache.  You don't want to believe that because all you are looking for is the best, easiest fighter to use.

In that case, stay far away from the Mossie and bugger off.

Sure it is usable as a fighter.  I never said you could not use it to cherry pick and run or fight from an advantage.  I am sure some one good could pwn a couple of new guys in it and make himself feel special.  I am also sure I can rack 1000s of kills cherry picking, vulching, fighting newbs, or low and slow planes with it.  I am also not the one that said you can fly it like a spit.

All I said is that for the past 3 years, I have never had a mossi engageme at will.  I had plenty cherry me or vulch me, but not engage into a fight willingly.  A couple of times that I run them down, they would turn for the HO till they died.  If that makes me an idiot, so be it

What do we call people that boast about how good they can be in a secret plane they dont fly, in a game they dont play, and when they do, their primary ACM is nose down?  What is really your arguimen here?  That the mossi is a good fighter? or that you were so good for not using the best fighters like me?  Whats the best fighter for 5 vs 1 anyway?  You see, unlike some experts, my ACM does not include nose down and run.   When I see red icons, I fly towards them so a good plane does help engaging 3 or more bad guys.  

I think next tour I will be teh e773t pilit also.  I'll fly a Mossi and cherry vulch and run.  I can't wait for all the WTFGs on 200.  I r B teh Bestestest pilit ever.

[Karnak]

You insist on spewing insults and denigrating others, presuming to tell us how we got all our kills.

Yes, many of those thousands of kills were obtained while diving from higher alt, but many were obtained co-alt and some were obtained being dived on by fighters that should have eaten me for lunch.

Would I engage suicidal odds in it like I will sometimes in a Spit of Ki-84?  No, but I would engage many co-E fighters.


But no, you already know how we fly it.  Oh wait, you don't.  You just need to stroke your ego by being condesending to anybody who isn't marching in lockstep with you.

[Furball]

Originally posted by dedalos
I r B teh Bestestest pilit ever.

no....

you are an idiot.

[dedalos]

Originally posted by Karnak
You insist on spewing insults and denigrating others, presuming to tell us how we got all our kills.

Yes, many of those thousands of kills were obtained while diving from higher alt, but many were obtained co-alt and some were obtained being dived on by fighters that should have eaten me for lunch.

Would I engage suicidal odds in it like I will sometimes in a Spit of Ki-84?  No, but I would engage many co-E fighters.


But no, you already know how we fly it.  Oh wait, you don't.  You just need to stroke your ego by being condesending to anybody who isn't marching in lockstep with you.

My first statements about the Mossi in the MA were true and accurate.  This is what most people do with it in the MA.  It was not an insult.  It was an observation.  If 1% of thepopulation uses it defferently that does not change that fact.  Now, when people start making statements about how good a flying brick can be, really what they are telling us is how good they are.  When they clame that a mossi can be flown as a spit they are insulting the rest of us.

For some reason, you thought you are the only one flying a Mossi and that I was only talking about you in my posts.  You could not continue with the argument that the Mossi is not a good fighter because it really isn't. So, what do you do?  You start the name calling and the insults.  Then claim that I am the one insulting people.

If stating my experiences in the MA is an insult to some then they need to change something.  Not me.  If you seriusly think given equal pilots and equal e states the mossi has any chance vs a fighter then you are the idiot.  Not me.  Killing a guy in his 2 week acount does not make you or your plane that good.

PS.  It was you guys with your description of the advanced deffencive and offencive ACM manuvers that described very well how you fly the plane.  

Please resume how grate you are by flying the secret plane that no one has ever descovered before.

[dedalos]

Originally posted by Furball
no....

you are an idiot.

Furbie, is that puffy ack?  you better hide

[Karnak]

dedalos,

You mischaracterize what was said.  One person asked for advice.  Then you and others jumped on him and told him that what he was asking was impossible and to just vulch and HO in it.  Then when I and others said it was hard, but doable you extended your negative characterization of Mossie fans to us.  When I tried to explain, you delved off into hyperbole insisting I was making claims that were clearly ludicrious.

1) I never said I could fly it like a Spitfire, though in at least one case one opponent said that fighting Karnak's Mossie was a harder fight than fighting Spitfires.  Until now I have never referenced that.

2) I never claimed it was a "secret plane", just that it could be used as a fighter successfully.  You added that condecending crap to belittle and attempt to make ridiculous my claims by changing my claim to something I never said.

3) Are you a politician?

[Furball]

Originally posted by dedalos
Furbie, is that puffy ack?  you better hide

I PUFFY YOU EYE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!