Author Topic: Mosquito defensive maneuvers (Read 3077 times)

dedalos · « **Reply #45 on:** March 24, 2006, 01:51:10 PM »

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Originally posted by Karnak

1) I never said I could fly it like a Spitfire, though in at least one case one opponent said that fighting Karnak's Mossie was a harder fight than fighting Spitfires. Until now I have never referenced that.

As I said you assumed I was only talking to you. You did not say that but if you read carefully, some one else did. You just decided to respond to that instead of the person that said it.

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2) I never claimed it was a "secret plane", just that it could be used as a fighter successfully. You added that condecending crap to belittle and attempt to make ridiculous my claims by changing my claim to something I never said.
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Again, it was not directed at you. You just decided it was and responded.

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3) Are you a politician?
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Nah, those guys are idiots

dedalos · « **Reply #46 on:** March 24, 2006, 01:52:32 PM »

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Originally posted by Furball
I PUFFY YOU EYE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not if I move fast and make lots of turns

Furball · « **Reply #47 on:** March 24, 2006, 01:55:11 PM »

i will catch you on my unicycle and puffy your eye with my squirty flower

bozon · « **Reply #48 on:** March 24, 2006, 03:51:47 PM »

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Originally posted by dedalos
A couple of times that I run them down, they would turn for the HO till they died.

That is true for almost all La7 and N1K I meet in the MA. So what does that mean?

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You see, unlike some experts, my ACM does not include nose down and run. When I see red icons, I fly towards them so a good plane does help engaging 3 or more bad guys.

I realize that now and I have seen the light. You are my new hero and from now on I will only fly La7 and Spit 16s so I can pwn "3 or more bad guys" without ever running from a fight like I used to.

Teh Mossie is useless.

Bozon

TheManx · « **Reply #49 on:** March 24, 2006, 04:05:05 PM »

I used to love flying the Mossie in Aces High. Hopefully they haven't changed it too much in II, because it was a decent dogfighter back then.

Nice thing about the mossie, is that while it had poor vertical performance you could use it to your advantage and essentially control your stall over the top to really create a good snap turn. Also, nose down it had such a drag in turns that it would be very hard to pull inside of it. Things might have changed though.

SlapShot · « **Reply #50 on:** March 24, 2006, 04:12:09 PM »

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Originally posted by Furball
i will catch you on my unicycle and puffy your eye with my squirty flower

dedalos · « **Reply #51 on:** March 24, 2006, 04:22:50 PM »

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Originally posted by bozon
That is true for almost all La7 and N1K I meet in the MA. So what does that mean?

I realize that now and I have seen the light. You are my new hero and from now on I will only fly La7 and Spit 16s so I can pwn "3 or more bad guys" without ever running from a fight like I used to.

Teh Mossie is useless.

Bozon

Whats your in game ID Bozo? Do you have a point here or just asking random questions? Are you saing that it is true that the Mossies you meet go for the HO every time? Is this a lala spit 16 whine? Did you think I was talking to you? Was your keyboard acting by its self?

You totaly missed my point. No one said the Mossie is useless. It is just not a great dog fighter. It has the same qualities that the lala and niki has. It can run and it can ho given an initial alt advantage.

Flatbar · « **Reply #52 on:** March 24, 2006, 04:54:37 PM »

C Hawks organised a Mossie mission with the RTC and some others this past Wednesday. It was the first time in a Mossie in AH for me and some fun it was!

Now, for those who think that a Mossie is only good for vulching and HO's, I think that you're just flying it the way you fly all fighters

We were taking a port, P4 on Uterus, and were badly out numbered at all other front line fields so our raid siphoned off some of the hoard and briefly gave the Nits something to crow over while we were getting our butts kicked at the rest of the fields.

As we were trying to get a goon into P4 we attracted about half a dozen inbound enemy. C-Hogs, Spits, P51's and F6f5's all comming in at 10-15k.

Not realising that I still had 500 pounders on my wings and that I had left the bomb bay open I went on the attack. My first kill was a P51 who tried to attack me from 10 high. I just turned my nose up to him and we both fired our guns. A few 20mm hits on his elevetors and he was harmlessly floating down to earth.

Then I saw a C-Hog who had spotted out BAM1 in a goon about 4km from the base. BAM1 made him miss his first pass and as he was getting lined up for another pass I was presented with a beautiful full planeform deflection shot and shredded off his starboard wing.

Next a Seafire was buzzing around and I decided to turn with him a bit but after the first two turns he decided to go verticle, bad mistake on his part as he wound up nothing but a fuselage lawndarting to earth. Looked funny, like a missle at the apex of his flight as it noses over in it's final dash to it's death.

Finaly another C-Hog is buzzing around and I was able to get on his 6 from about 2k above. I dove down gathering speed to catch up with him and just as he kills one of our Mossies I pop him with a short 20mm burst.

Now, I'm no great virtual pilot, but to get four kills in my first Mossie flight, to me, kinda shows that either the Mossie is a very capable fighter if flown to it's strengths and aggressivly, or that those Rooks that died to my guns were very much lacking in SA, which I think most will agree, that SA is just as or even more important than what plane you are flying and those other pilot skills that people in AH are trying to attain and for some, brag about.

Masherbrum · « **Reply #53 on:** March 24, 2006, 04:58:39 PM »

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Originally posted by dedalos
In the MA there are only 2 deffencive moves they can do. Go for the HO and run. As far as survivability in it, just do what every one that drives the does. Come in for the vulch or HO. Extend 6K or more and repeat until you receive your WTFGs for flying one and landing 10 kills in it.

I disagree. But, if you say so.

Karaya

bozon · « **Reply #54 on:** March 24, 2006, 07:18:13 PM »

dedalos,
as for my 1st point Flatbar has kindly spelled it out for you:

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Now, for those who think that a Mossie is only good for vulching and HO's, I think that you're just flying it the way you fly all fighters

Not specificaly directed at you, but you must agree most players do that no matter what they fly. You just might be annoyed by mossies more since they will tend to win it more.

My second point related to your self praising of how noble you are not running from a fight, diving in guns blazing against superior numbers, while singing the national anthem.

You act as if this is a thread directed against you. What's the problem? You don't get enough attention in the real world?

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What is really your arguimen here? That the mossi is a good fighter? Or that you were so good for not using the best fighters like me?

So what bothers you is that people fly a plane because they like it, like its history, like its paint scheme, even though it is not the best?

Or does it bothers you that some people manage to enjoy a plane even if they loose the fight? Nobody here claimed to be superior... err, that is not entirely correct - you did!

And the last possibility is that you tried it once, got your prettythang handed back to you and that hurt your ego.

Have a nice day and fly what you like.
Bozon

Scherf · « **Reply #55 on:** March 24, 2006, 11:16:48 PM »

Great post Flatbar.

bozon · « **Reply #56 on:** March 26, 2006, 05:08:24 AM »

No films were posted yet so here's one Shvontz sent me from yesterday. He was cheking the plane out after we talked about it.

Some bomber shooting and a 5 minutes knife fight with a spit 16. Most of the time speeds were below 200 mph and down to increadible 60 mph. Both pilots did some mistakes that could have ended the fight earlier. Eventually the spit engine cuts out (dried fuel tanks?) while stall fighting and he augers, taking only minor 303 hits (20mm missed).

While not the "mossie pwn!" you might expected it, shows how it is far from meat on the table.

Mossie vs. Spit16

to both pilots.
Bozon

SlapShot · « **Reply #57 on:** March 26, 2006, 08:29:41 AM »

My first kill was a P51 who tried to attack me from 10 high. I just turned my nose up to him and we both fired our guns. A few 20mm hits on his elevetors and he was harmlessly floating down to earth.

So you HOed him ... that wasn't a fight.

Then I saw a C-Hog who had spotted out BAM1 in a goon about 4km from the base. BAM1 made him miss his first pass and as he was getting lined up for another pass I was presented with a beautiful full planeform deflection shot and shredded off his starboard wing.

You "picked" him when he was involved ... that wasn't a fight.

Next a Seafire was buzzing around and I decided to turn with him a bit but after the first two turns he decided to go verticle, bad mistake on his part as he wound up nothing but a fuselage lawndarting to earth.

Closest thing to a fight, but you obviously ran into a newb in a Spitfire. After 2 turns, you should have been dog food.

Finaly another C-Hog is buzzing around and I was able to get on his 6 from about 2k above. I dove down gathering speed to catch up with him and just as he kills one of our Mossies I pop him with a short 20mm burst.

Another "pick" ... that wasn't a fight.

The Mossie is a very capable airplane, but run into someone who knows how to fight in just about any other airplane ... it's curtains for the Mossie.

Furball · « **Reply #58 on:** March 26, 2006, 08:32:17 AM »

i landed 10 kills in mossie the other day.

i defensive manoeuvered by getting them while still on the runway and completely owned them all.

i was winning 3, even 4 vs 1's by doing this when they started rolling bombers.

Flatbar · « **Reply #59 on:** March 26, 2006, 02:02:41 PM »

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Originally posted by SlapShot
My first kill was a P51 who tried to attack me from 10 high. I just turned my nose up to him and we both fired our guns. A few 20mm hits on his elevetors and he was harmlessly floating down to earth.

So you HOed him ... that wasn't a fight.

Yep, I put my guns in his face as he tried to attack me from high above, the result of his continuing his attack while seeing my defensive move was him going back to the tower. Not a smart move by the 51.

Then I saw a C-Hog who had spotted out BAM1 in a goon about 4km from the base. BAM1 made him miss his first pass and as he was getting lined up for another pass I was presented with a beautiful full planeform deflection shot and shredded off his starboard wing.

You "picked" him when he was involved ... that wasn't a fight.

Yep, I picked off a pilot focused on killing a defenceless goon, I should have waited until he was done killing BAM1, forgive my obviously flawed morality for doing so.

Next a Seafire was buzzing around and I decided to turn with him a bit but after the first two turns he decided to go verticle, bad mistake on his part as he wound up nothing but a fuselage lawndarting to earth.

Closest thing to a fight, but you obviously ran into a newb in a Spitfire. After 2 turns, you should have been dog food.

Shoulda, woulda, coulda, the result was that he died in a fight where he had all the advantages.

I R De No0b kIlLa

Finaly another C-Hog is buzzing around and I was able to get on his 6 from about 2k above. I dove down gathering speed to catch up with him and just as he kills one of our Mossies I pop him with a short 20mm burst.

Another "pick" ... that wasn't a fight.

So, I guess all the people who fly with a wingman don't realy fight, they just want to have a friendly close by to show them how gloriously they can die in a fight.

The Mossie is a very capable airplane, but run into someone who knows how to fight in just about any other airplane ... it's curtains for the Mossie.

I guess you missed my point, but I suspect your aim will get better with age

Having good SA is just as important a factor in a fight as the strengths and weakness of a particular fighter if you fly to fight and survive.