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« Reply #330 on: April 02, 2006, 04:09:25 AM »
Woot?
I actually do live near to a glacier. Not kidding!
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #331 on: April 02, 2006, 04:35:27 AM »
Me too.
I gave good hints.
Bet you can guess mine if you try.

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« Reply #332 on: April 02, 2006, 11:09:27 AM »
beet... drive a 12 mpg car or not.... none of my business and won't affect things one way or the other...  

If everyone did tho then.... before very long.... something would get done instead of a lot of useless time spent on trying to get the last mpg out of internal combustion engines that run on fossil fuels.

Like I say... I think that your environmentalism is based on wanting to feel superior and on wanting to tell other people what to do.

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« Reply #333 on: April 02, 2006, 11:36:10 AM »
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Like I say... I think that your environmentalism is based on wanting to feel superior and on wanting to tell other people what to do.
I think your memory deceives you. I haven't told anyone what to do, except perhaps to you in this thread ^ when I said "Same goes for you – go on with your 8mpg hot-rodding. The CO2 reduction were you to stop would register as a blippette on the world chart." And... neither have I suggested that a tax be levied on SUVs. And... nowhere did I say that SUVs should be banned. And... neither have I made a proposal for an increase oin the price of fuel to discourage waste. Try to focus on what I've actually said, rather than what you think I said, or what you wish I'd said. If you're so sure that I have indeed made such statements, then it should be no trouble at all for you to find where I did say it. In which case you should post a link. I asked you to do this several days ago, and I'm still waiting.

I have however observed that a modest increase in annual running costs caused by post Katrina oil prices was enough to cause people to avoid large SUVs in droves. Actually it wasn't me, it was Storch.

In other parts of the world, the tax structures are different such that road fuel costs a lot more than it does in the US, and this is one reason why there is a much higher demand for fuel efficient vehicles outside the US.

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« Reply #334 on: April 02, 2006, 12:04:14 PM »
soooo..... your suggestion is to do nothing except ***** about other peoples habits?   Even tho you don't think they should change?

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« Reply #335 on: April 02, 2006, 12:36:15 PM »
Have I ******* about other people's habits? Still no link I see...

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« Reply #336 on: April 02, 2006, 01:31:05 PM »
George Will has a nice column this week-- though he is certainly a conservative, no one has ever accused him of runing roughshod with facts:

http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/will1.asp

Let cooler heads prevail: The media heat up over global warming

http://www.NewsAndOpinion.com | So, "the debate is over." Time magazine says so. Last week's cover story exhorted readers to "Be Worried. Be Very Worried," and ABC News concurred in several stories. So did Montana's governor, speaking on ABC. And there was polling about global warming, gathered by Time and ABC in collaboration.


Eighty-five percent of Americans say warming is probably happening, and 62 percent say it threatens them personally. The National Academy of Sciences says the rise in the Earth's surface temperature has been about one degree Fahrenheit in the past century. Did 85 percent of Americans notice? Of course not. They got their anxiety from journalism calculated to produce it. Never mind that one degree might be the margin of error when measuring the planet's temperature. To take a person's temperature, you put a thermometer in an orifice or under an arm. Taking the temperature of our churning planet, with its tectonic plates sliding around over a molten core, involves limited precision.


Why have Americans been dilatory about becoming as worried — as very worried — as Time and ABC think proper? An article on ABC's Web site wonders ominously, "Was Confusion Over Global Warming a Con Job?"


It suggests there has been a misinformation campaign implying that scientists might not be unanimous, a campaign by — how did you guess? — big oil. And the coal industry. But speaking of coal . . .


Recently, Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer flew with ABC's George Stephanopoulos over Glacier National Park's receding glaciers. But Schweitzer offered hope: Everyone, buy Montana coal. New technologies can, he said, burn it while removing carbon causes of global warming.


Stephanopoulos noted that such technologies are at least four years away and "all the scientists" say something must be done "right now." Schweitzer, quickly recovering from hopefulness and returning to the "be worried, be very worried" message, said "it's even more critical than that" because China and India are going to "put more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere with conventional coal-fired generators than all of the rest of the planet has during the last 150 years."


That is one reason why the Clinton administration never submitted the Kyoto accord on global warming for Senate ratification. In 1997 the Senate voted 95 to 0 that the accord would disproportionately burden America while being too permissive toward major polluters that are America's trade competitors.


While worrying about Montana's receding glaciers, Schweitzer, who is 50, should also worry about the fact that when he was 20 he was told to be worried, very worried, about global cooling. Science magazine (Dec. 10, 1976) warned of "extensive Northern Hemisphere glaciation." Science Digest (February 1973) reported that "the world's climatologists are agreed" that we must "prepare for the next ice age." The Christian Science Monitor ("Warning: Earth's Climate is Changing Faster Than Even Experts Expect," Aug. 27, 1974) reported that glaciers "have begun to advance," "growing seasons in England and Scandinavia are getting shorter" and "the North Atlantic is cooling down about as fast as an ocean can cool." Newsweek agreed ("The Cooling World," April 28, 1975) that meteorologists "are almost unanimous" that catastrophic famines might result from the global cooling that the New York Times (Sept. 14, 1975) said "may mark the return to another ice age." The Times (May 21, 1975) also said "a major cooling of the climate is widely considered inevitable" now that it is "well established" that the Northern Hemisphere's climate "has been getting cooler since about 1950."


In fact, the Earth is always experiencing either warming or cooling. But suppose the scientists and their journalistic conduits, who today say they were so spectacularly wrong so recently, are now correct. Suppose the Earth is warming and suppose the warming is caused by human activity. Are we sure there will be proportionate benefits from whatever climate change can be purchased at the cost of slowing economic growth and spending trillions? Are we sure the consequences of climate change — remember, a thick sheet of ice once covered the Midwest — must be bad? Or has the science-journalism complex decided that debate about these questions, too, is "over"?


About the mystery that vexes ABC — Why have Americans been slow to get in lock step concerning global warming? — perhaps the "problem" is not big oil or big coal, both of which have discovered there is big money to be made from tax breaks and other subsidies justified in the name of combating carbon.
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« Reply #337 on: April 02, 2006, 01:41:46 PM »
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 I don't know why you're asking me all these questions about Hackney Marsh. /B]


I know you don`t. :D
If you don`t wish to answer any questions, you don`t have to.
Sure got a nice ring to it .
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« Reply #338 on: April 02, 2006, 01:48:26 PM »
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while I can start growing wheat!


Good luck with that.
We fattened up quite a few Russian`s for quite a few years doing that. :D
What variety does well where you are at?
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« Reply #339 on: April 02, 2006, 01:48:34 PM »
Debonair:

"I live near a glacier.
I fly over it all the time.
It gets bigger & bigger.
Been doing this a long time, too.
Was nearly nothing 25 years ago, they say.
I've only been seeing it for 5 years."

What glacier???
In the dark here. The only thing for sure is that it isn't one of the biggest ones on the Northern hemisphere.
The Greenland glacier is shrinking, so are all the ones in Iceland. That rules out Europe for anything significant, although some patches in the Alps may be growing (more precipation).

So, the guess is that it's not a big one....
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #340 on: April 02, 2006, 01:59:29 PM »
Charlotte - how are you going with that Google? :p

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« Reply #341 on: April 02, 2006, 02:02:36 PM »
the end is near, the end is very near......

the end is....*%!$*
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« Reply #342 on: April 02, 2006, 02:04:11 PM »
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Charlotte - how are you going with that Google? :p


Don`t use google Marie. Don`t need it for this especialy. :D
How are you doing with it? :rofl
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« Reply #343 on: April 02, 2006, 02:17:49 PM »
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How are you doing with it? :rofl
Well, I found Hackney Marsh. :aok

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« Reply #344 on: April 02, 2006, 02:43:44 PM »
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Well, I found Hackney Marsh. :aok


That`s a start.
Well done. :)
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