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« Reply #180 on: March 27, 2006, 07:49:58 PM »
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« Reply #181 on: March 27, 2006, 07:53:29 PM »
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I saw this today and wanted to get your thoughts:


In response the person who snapped the pic wrote to the church the following:


The response back from the church:

Are these good Christians or Philistines?


Yeah, well, I have alittle photoshop for you too, Crow. ;)


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« Reply #182 on: March 27, 2006, 08:12:11 PM »
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Really? Wasn't Hitler an athiest?  
Actually, Hitler was a Christian.  Not all christians are bad following his example, just as not all Atheists are bad following Stalin's example.
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« Reply #183 on: March 27, 2006, 08:32:35 PM »
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Actually, Hitler was a Christian.  Not all christians are bad following his example, just as not all Atheists are bad following Stalin's example.


BZZZZZ Wrong answer. He referenced Christianity but he was not a Christian. Thanks for playing "Spent too much time on MoveOn.Org"!

http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mhitlerchristian.html

Let's put it this way, when in Rome, dress like the romans.  "so many Germans were religious believers that Hitler, if not religious himself, at least had to pretend to be a believer in order to gain support."

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« Reply #184 on: March 27, 2006, 08:35:18 PM »
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... he claimed to be a Christian ...
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« Reply #185 on: March 27, 2006, 08:36:29 PM »
This whole thread is why I wonder about how positive an influence religion may or may not be.

I see lots more anger than 'love thy neighbor'.

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« Reply #186 on: March 27, 2006, 08:44:27 PM »
Goomba, though I'm not a religous person by definition, Christianity has saved more lives than killed.  Spend some time like my brother has in N.O. and ask him who's doing most of the clean up work down there. I'll give you a clue, they're not atheists.

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« Reply #187 on: March 27, 2006, 08:58:02 PM »
Hitler wasn't christian?  My mistake.  Moveon?  What's that?
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« Reply #188 on: March 27, 2006, 09:03:00 PM »
Wow, 20 seconds of Google seems to suggest that you're not entirely correct.  Your thoughts on the following are appreciated:

We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933
 
[This statement clearly refutes modern Christians who claim Hitler as favoring atheism.]

He wrote "We demand liberty for all religious denominations in the State, so far as they are not a danger to it and do not militate against the morality and moral sense of the German race. The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not bind itself in the matter of creed to any particular confession. It combats the Jewish-materialist spirit within and without us, and is convinced that our nation can achieve permanent health from within only on the principle: the common interest before self-interest."

He also wrote: "My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited.
-Adolf Hitler, in his speech on 12 April 1922"

"We are a people of different faiths, but we are one. Which faith conquers the other is not the question; rather, the question is whether Christianity stands or falls.... We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity... in fact our movement is Christian. We are filled with a desire for Catholics and Protestants to discover one another in the deep distress of our own people.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Passau, 27 Octover 1928, Bundesarchiv Berlin-Zehlendorf, [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]"

"We are determined, as leaders of the nation, to fulfill as a national government the task which has been given to us, swearing fidelity only to God, our conscience, and our Volk.... This the national government will regard its first and foremost duty to restore the unity of spirit and purpose of our Volk. It will preserve and defend the foundations upon which the power of our nation rests. It will take Christianity, as the basis of our collective morality, and the family as the nucleus of our Volk and state, under its firm protection....May God Almighty take our work into his grace, give true form to our will, bless our insight, and endow us with the trust of our Volk.
 
-Adolf Hitler, on 1 Feb. 1933, addressing the German nation as Chancellor for the first time, Volkischer Beobachter, 5 Aug. 1935, [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]"

"Except the Lord built the house they labour in vain.... The truth of that text was proved if one looks at the house of which the foundations were laid in 1918 and which since then has been in building.... The world will not help, the people must help itself. Its own strength is the source of life. That strength the Almighty has given us to use; that in it and through it we may wage the battle of our life.... The others in the past years have not had the blessing of the Almighty-- of Him Who in the last resort, whatever man may do, holds in His hands the final decision. Lord God, let us never hesitate or play the coward, let us never forget the duty which we have taken upon us.... We are all proud that through God's powerful aid we have become once more true Germans.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech in March 1933
 
[Note, "Except the Lord built the house, they labour in vain" comes from Psalms 127:1]"

From http://www.nobeliefs.com/speeches.htm

I guess history disagrees with the assertion that he didn't identify himself as Christian.  Seems like he felt he was doing god's work, pretty twisted.
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« Reply #189 on: March 27, 2006, 09:46:03 PM »
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Yeah, well, I have alittle photoshop for you too, Crow. ;)

LOL...good one.  

Wish it were photoshop though.  The church is in Hanover Park, IL...anyone that doubts it can call em up:

http://www.godcentered.info/about.html

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« Reply #190 on: March 27, 2006, 09:56:57 PM »

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« Reply #191 on: March 27, 2006, 10:59:12 PM »
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Christianity has saved more lives than killed.


Thats a  bold statement there rip, most deaths attributed to various religions happen on a near genocidal level.

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« Reply #192 on: March 27, 2006, 11:02:54 PM »
Chairboy, In hitler's case as well as numerous others who committed other similar if smaller deeds, I believe actions count far more than words. Words to liars and hypocrits are tools of persuasion not declarations of true intent.

Like a line from a John Wayne movie, "Sorry don't get it done Dude".
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« Reply #193 on: March 27, 2006, 11:03:01 PM »
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BZZZZZ Wrong answer. He referenced Christianity but he was not a Christian. Thanks for playing "Spent too much time on MoveOn.Org"!

http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mhitlerchristian.html

Let's put it this way, when in Rome, dress like the romans.  "so many Germans were religious believers that Hitler, if not religious himself, at least had to pretend to be a believer in order to gain support."


LOL.. did you even read your link?

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« Reply #194 on: March 27, 2006, 11:09:30 PM »
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Chairboy, In hitler's case as well as numerous others who committed other similar if smaller deeds, I believe actions count far more than words. Words to liars and hypocrits are tools of persuasion not declarations of true intent.

Like a line from a John Wayne movie, "Sorry don't get it done Dude".
Mav, so you're saying that nobody christian can do evil, because anyone who does evil is automatically not a christian?  Sounds pretty convenient.
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