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Offline Hangtime

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« Reply #30 on: March 28, 2006, 10:15:46 AM »
Ah yes, the RAF...and all those hurricanes, armed with .303 rifle caliber guns....

And the venerable Brit Army, armed with .303 Enfields... fastest bolt rifle of the war. A fine weapon. I have 2. ;)

Explaining to somebody like beet the immense pleasure of owning, collecting and shooting examples of the astonishing engineering feats that are the firearms of the late 19th and thru the 20th century, each with it's own interesting story to tell, many having miraculously survived combat, all representing the pinnacle of technical achivement and manufacturing expertise of their parent nations would be like trying to explain the pleasure of accumulating a complete first-edition set of your favorite authors works.... to an illiterate savage, incapable of viewing their pages as anything other than hugahunk or kindling.
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« Reply #31 on: March 28, 2006, 10:24:57 AM »
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That is what keeps it free. It`s called freedom. It also gives the citizen a way by which to protect themselves.
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Offline Hangtime

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« Reply #32 on: March 28, 2006, 10:44:46 AM »
Arms are the only true badges of liberty. The possession of arms is the distinction of a free man from a subject or slave. ...Andrew Fletcher (englisman), A Discourse of Government with Relation to Militias (1698) pg. 47[/i]
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« Reply #33 on: March 28, 2006, 11:22:30 AM »
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If you really want to end senseless and needless deaths; ban the wheel.
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« Reply #34 on: March 28, 2006, 01:18:56 PM »
To get back to the topic of the thread, this is something I've been watching closely.  Last week reps from S&W toured the plant, no word on whether or not they are interested.  Even if they are though, a deal would have to be worked out with the Winchester name, as the company currently licensed to use it has it until 2007.  All the various studies I've read on why it's come to this seem to point to poor management decisions.  Meaning that there is hope for another company to come in and take over the name and the production and make some money at it.  

Also, to clarify, US Repeating Arms does NOT own any factories in Japan.  They allowed a Japanese company to purchase a license to build copies (very good ones I might add) of the Winchester rifles.  Not too many have shown up here in the US, but the prices on the ones I have seen are reasonable.  These guns do NOT have the Winchester name on them.  They are copies only.  Also, none of the guns produced in the Newhaven, CT plant will be produced by USRA's parent company in Europe.  The model 94 lever rifle, the Model 70 bolt action rifle, and the model 1300 pump shotgun are all dead lines once the plant closes.  They will continue the X series shotguns in Europe.  Thats it under the Winchester name.  

In 2007 when USRA has no more right to the name of Winchester, it will revert back to the owner of the name, Olin Manufacturing in Missouri.  They will be free to license it to anyone they wish at that time, or to allow the name (and product) to die forever.  Hopefully by that time, someone will want to use the name and Olin will want to keep it alive.
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« Reply #35 on: March 28, 2006, 01:45:48 PM »
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I'm not sure what's more pathetic... Beet, or the responders who keep giving him exactly what he wants.

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« Reply #36 on: March 28, 2006, 01:48:51 PM »
Aren't they making some O/U shotguns in Japan using the Winchester name?
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« Reply #37 on: March 28, 2006, 02:02:26 PM »
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It is ashame that this fact needs to be repeated so often around here, typically to the same two or three die hard numbskulls, but I wll do my part and try to get through the hard boney shell into the supple gray matter hidden deep within: Guns DO NOT kill people. People kill people.

The weapon doesnt matter to me.  If a human being kills another human being for no good reason, be it with a gun, a knife....a baseball bat...hell, with a Fork!  it doesnt matter to me, If a human being kills another human being for no good reason then simply string the offender up on a rope.  Hang them from the neck until dead.  There is far too much at stake to let the lunatics run the asylum.

PS Winchester will survive.
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« Reply #38 on: March 28, 2006, 02:06:05 PM »
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Aren't they making some O/U shotguns in Japan using the Winchester name?


In Europe they are, yes.  USRA's parent company is in Belgium.  They are making the X series shotguns there.
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Offline Clifra Jones

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« Reply #39 on: March 28, 2006, 02:21:22 PM »
To beet1e:

From: "The Gods of the Copybook Headings" by Kipling

When the Cambrian measures were forming, They promised perpetual peace.
They swore, if we gave them our weapons, that the wars of the tribes would cease.
But when we disarmed They sold us and delivered us bound to our foe,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "Stick to the Devil you know."

The entire poem: http://www.kipling.org.uk/poems_copybook.htm

An interesting poem from a man whose son was killed in WWI. He definitely did not buy into the whole pacifist ideology.

On the other subject. It's business. Plain and simple. Our government taxes and regulates our businesses out of the country and union contracts are just as much to blame. I ask you this, would you pay 4 times the current price of your goods just to have them made in the USA?

Anything else is protectionism and subsidization. History has taught those of us with the eyes to see it, that that is a recipe for disaster.
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« Reply #40 on: March 28, 2006, 04:31:28 PM »
See Rule #4


That was hitting below the belt on Beet, true...but still hitting below the belt.....my bad.
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« Reply #41 on: March 28, 2006, 04:40:38 PM »
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Ah yes, the RAF...and all those hurricanes, armed with .303 rifle caliber guns....

And the venerable Brit Army, armed with .303 Enfields... fastest bolt rifle of the war. A fine weapon. I have 2. ;)

Explaining to somebody like beet the immense pleasure of owning, collecting and shooting examples of the astonishing engineering feats that are the firearms of the late 19th and thru the 20th century, each with it's own interesting story to tell, many having miraculously survived combat, all representing the pinnacle of technical achivement and manufacturing expertise of their parent nations would be like trying to explain the pleasure of accumulating a complete first-edition set of your favorite authors works.... to an illiterate savage, incapable of viewing their pages as anything other than hugahunk or kindling.


heh that is so true Hang
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« Reply #42 on: March 28, 2006, 05:44:51 PM »
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The thread went exactly the way I expected.

Woot!


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