Solution to Dive Bombing Buffs.

[DoKGonZo]

Originally posted by Jackal1


Blimps with lazers. Nuff said.

No ... with Frikkin' Lazer Beams (tm)(c) ... we want realism, afterall.

[Vad]

Originally posted by MOIL
When's the last time you saw that ?

Yeah all 6-7 of us will "horde" on your base with some Jeeps and a tank:rolleyes:

Long ago. One year, may be more.
It was just a joke

[Kweassa]

You also seem to foget the same dive bombing tacktic that can be use by suisiding fighters to kill CV's. Where is the out cry for this none realism.

 Simple, HT.

 A fighter doesn't spew 42,000 lbs.

 If one suicidal Typhoon could drop a aircraft carrier or a grouped mass of multiple FHs, then there'd be an outcry against it as well.

 However, since it takes twenty one Typhoons and twenty one individual pilots in twenty one individual attempts, to do the same amount of damage a single Lancaster formation controlled by a single pilot can do, people tend to be a lot more forgiving towards the fighter dweeb than the bomber dweeb.

[JAWS2003]

I think manable 88mm flak  and multi barell rapid fire 20mm cannons are needed at the bases. That alone would make this attacks more hazardous.
 The  AAA deffense at  airfields is a joke.
 One guy alone in a fighter can clean a base with 10-20 cannon shells and then start a vulch fest.

[Saxman]

May not be much outcry against it, but the running porkers are still annoying. Had a dweeb in a 51 earlier today pop off a few rockets against a CV in a dive from 10k earlier today then run like hell to avoid a fight.

[Kweassa]

Yes, individual suicidal jabos are indeed annoying.

 Sine the MA is primarily oriented towards late war aircraft, it's basically a gaggle of super-speed jabos that are uninterceptable. If something like a P-51 or a Typh just goes full speed suicidal lob-angle towards his target, about the only thing that might catch it in its attack run is another P-51 or a Typh.

 But that being said, at least an individual fighter carries still much smaller payload when compared to a buff. They do damage stuff individually, and the hasty and suicidal run often causes faulty bomb drops which result in non-detonation or totally missing the target.

 However, buffs are different. The bombers are being used as bloated jabos. The hard part is making through the defenses, but when in midst of a raging battle it isn't really too difficult to slip a buff formation or two at low alts. The buffs fly full speed to the target at shallow angles, which makes up setting interception runs pretty hard. And then bammo! spray the bombs all over the target - prelude to the modern-day clusterbomb?

[Docc]

I am glad to see that others also agree that increasing defensive capabilities causing more offensive sorties to be necessary to do what can be done now in 1 sortie can do a lot to even out numbers imbalance.

[MOIL]

Originally posted by hitech
This is not goal in the main arena. You seem to foget drasticly fighter items that are not even close. Is not 1 of the fighters main roles to escort bombers. So under you view you should not be able to up a fighter unless you are escorting a bomber, because thats the way it was done in the war.

You also seem to foget the same dive bombing tacktic that can be use by suisiding fighters to kill CV's. Where is the out cry for this none realism.

These 1 sided realism arguments have been getting under my skin as of late.


HiTech

I think dive bombing A/C (not bombers) on CV's is fine, that's what the Japanese did in WWII, no arguement there. However if you watch any, I mean any WWII film footage of the Kamikaze attacking our ships they were met with unGodly amounts of 20mm, 40mm and 5" gunfire. Even if we had enough people to man all the guns we can not reproduce due to the fact there isn't enough gun stations. I think currently we have 10 or so positions avail. Most carriers, crusiers and battleships had 40+ 20mm, 60-80 40mm guns and 14-20 5" guns. .Watch this

I don't like "gamey" game play anymore than the next guy. Yes, it is just a "game" and is impossible to simulate all that actually took place while in a real war. I realize there has to be a balance of realism & fun for us all to enjoy or we wouldn't play. However the diving bombing Lancs & B17's, along with dropping ord's 100' off the deck has been a complaint in the MA for some time. I do not have all the answers to these complaints, maybe the community can throw ideas on the table.

I'll also agree that people have complained that the airfields do not have adequate AA/AT defenses. I too would like to see that changed with the incorperation of either: A) Flak batteries that can be manned  B) Mobile or towable AA Flak guns like the Wirbelwind, Ostwind, Flak36, M19, 40mm Bofors and 20mm twin & quad mounts  C) All ready in place guns like we have now, just more of them and ALL manable.

There is really nothing to stop a couple of planes from porking a field, heck I can do it myself and I'm one of the worst pilots in the game.

I'm not telling anyone how to play the game or that someone should play "my" way, but when you see post after post of the same complaint seems to me more than just a couple of people don't approve.

My 2 cents

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by DoKGonZo
No ... with Frikkin' Lazer Beams (tm)(c) ... we want realism, afterall.

How bout giant death rays then? As soon as you up, you get zapped. Then the object of the game would be to see who can win the most at poker int the O`club.
If reaslism was the point, there would be fighter patrol sweeps up to kill said low level bombers and the problem would be solved. this is just another case of someone wanting the game changed to be  played "their way".
Realism also has a point that can be reached here with out going from realism to ridiculous.
BTW, the original statement was a sarcastic comment. Guess I should have hung up the tag for the challenged.  

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Kweassa
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 AH simulates the essence WW2 of aerial combat.

Originally posted by hitech
This is not goal in the main arena.

HiTech

And da man has spoken.
That should end many of the arguments over what AH is.

Then again, Knowing this group
 Probably not LMAO

[DoKGonZo]

Originally posted by Jackal1
How bout giant death rays then? As soon as you up, you get zapped. Then the object of the game would be to see who can win the most at poker int the O`club.
If reaslism was the point, there would be fighter patrol sweeps up to kill said low level bombers and the problem would be solved. this is just another case of someone wanting the game changed to be  played "their way".
Realism also has a point that can be reached here with out going from realism to ridiculous.
BTW, the original statement was a sarcastic comment. Guess I should have hung up the tag for the challenged.  

No its cool Jackal ... there was a joke going around like two months ago ... I think in the wish list someplace ... and the Austin Power's "Sharks With Frikkin' Lazer Beams on their Heads" came up. That was what I was referencing.

[Kweassa]

Then again, Knowing this group
Probably not LMAO

 Perhaps.

 But remember that people used to say similar things about, for example;

* gun vibrations
* carb-bombing and grounded buff-acking
* gunnery modelling
* stall modelling
* GVs
* bombsights and calibration

 .. etc etc and on and on. All of them suggestions first coming from people ridiculed or put down as 'realism freaks'.


 Look where AH is now.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by DoKGonZo
No its cool Jackal ... there was a joke going around like two months ago ... I think in the wish list someplace ... and the Austin Power's "Sharks With Frikkin' Lazer Beams on their Heads" came up. That was what I was referencing.

Awwww, I see. Missed that one.
As long as Indy is working on my tuneable Tokyo Rose broadcasts I`m a happy camper.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Kweassa
Look where AH is now.

Can`t find it. Got a link?

[Tumor]

Originally posted by hitech

These 1 sided realism arguments have been getting under my skin as of late.

HiTech

  A little "release-ct" brand salve will fix that skin problem right away

Tumor