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« Reply #195 on: April 01, 2006, 09:57:59 AM »
aren't sports about earning a lot of money and or fame and power?

I was never into sports...  If I did it was for the exercise or the fun of it.  

But... like guys are saying here... you can't compare paid sports with this game we are paying to play.   Just looking at the rules shows that there are dozens of ways to "win" and dozens more on a personal level

I know a lot of the furballers posting here and they are good.   The horde guys are newbies that I will probly never get to know before they get bored (wake up) and leave.  

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« Reply #196 on: April 01, 2006, 10:27:15 AM »
You must be pretty young lazs.

Money wasn't always the end all be all of existence.
People played professional sports for the competition
and most of all, because of their love for the game.

Take professional baseball for example.
Those guys barely got paid enough to live on in
the 20's and 30's but they loved that game.
Thats what attracted them to it.  Not the money.
Things have gone down the toilet the more and
more we introduce money into competitive sports.
Strikes, exhorbitant ticket prices, etc.  What a shame
it is that all people want to look at is how much
pecuniary gain there is in everything.

Remember the line "the thrill of victory, the agony
of defeat"?  Thats why I play AH.  I like to win.
And when I do...I get my payoff.  :D

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« Reply #197 on: April 01, 2006, 10:33:08 AM »
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Originally posted by 96Delta
You must be pretty young lazs.

Money wasn't always the end all be all of existence.
People played professional sports for the competition
and most of all, because of their love for the game.

Take professional baseball for example.
Those guys barely got paid enough to live on in
the 20's and 30's but they loved that game.
Thats what attracted them to it.  Not the money.
Things have gone down the toilet the more and
more we introduce money into competitive sports.
Strikes, exhorbitant ticket prices, etc.  What a shame
it is that all people want to look at is how much
pecuniary gain there is in everything.

Remember the line "the thrill of victory, the agony
of defeat"?  Thats why I play AH.  I like to win.
And when I do...I get my payoff.  :D




LMAO no it wasn't but it is now. A pro baseball player cant go to a team he wants unless they get more $$.  


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« Reply #198 on: April 01, 2006, 10:51:21 AM »
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You must be pretty young lazs.

Remember the line "the thrill of victory, the agony
of defeat"?  Thats why I play AH.  I like to win.
And when I do...I get my payoff.  :D


hmm.  He's 45-55 IIRC.   I like to win, but I refuse to blatantly piss off others to get "free perks" that are earned faster in the Spit5 to begin with.   Again, deliberately dropping hangers to stop a furball "because some don't wanna play the game your way, is childish and PATHETIC".
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« Reply #199 on: April 01, 2006, 10:58:36 AM »
delta...  I am old enough to recall and I don't think that sports today are like that at all...

but... You really can't compare the goal of sports to what we do here... I mean seriously...   "winning the war" is probly the least of most peoples goals who have been around a lot.  

"Winning" means something different to everyone here..  Those that have been around long enough know that you will come and go..  and except for posting here.... no one will even know who you are... we won't fight you to get to know you...

you are a cog in the horde.  Is that your "payoff"?  

To be a tiny little unskilled (or give the appearance to be unskilled) cog in the horde... someone who can only be noticed if they come on here and tell everyone who that faceless nameless cog in the horde is who just ruined the game for a bunch of people?

maybe I am looking at this wrong.... maybe we should seek out the names of the horde that hit a field but really.... us furballers never even bother to find out who it was.

And why would we?   we don't see it as a skill and we don't see any point in making the game any more boring by trying to stop it..

We pretty much feel that it is boring to try to stop you and boring to watch you do it....  If you went away we would not miss you in the least.

contrast that with the guys who really give me a fight and (sadly) kick my butt time after time.... them I rememeber.... I "hate" them but wouldn't have them leave the game for the world... they give me a goal... Killing them is fun...

killing you is boring... not worth mentioning.

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« Reply #200 on: April 01, 2006, 11:01:30 AM »
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« Reply #201 on: April 01, 2006, 11:11:27 AM »
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Only really bothered with reading the first few posts... really is priceless :D
Inventors of massive raids :huh
I've only been here since the first day of the open beta and I've never seen it before, surprised noone has thought of it before :rolleyes:
How long is that really? Anyone remember when AH beta was released? 99? 7 years ago? Damn I must be getting old.


Don't worry Wilbuz, I started playing around that same time after I got burned by a woman. Had a couple buddies (Grimm & Gunner) introduce me to this game and I have been hooked ever since. One thing is your Squad mates are always there no matter where you go in the world, I myself being Air Force.  We don't get old, we just age well like a fine bottle of scotch!  But you are right, this is very humorass! :rofl   I love when guys learn of the "Spawn camp" and realize they can get thier name in lights... sure everyone does it, but you don't see guys braggin about it.... oh wiat a minute, I think that is what this guys is doing! Inventors of massive raids... more like Inventors of Bottom of the Gene-pool ladder! :rofl  These guys know nothing of ACM or taking bases the fast way. They go thru and toolshed everything for 4 sectors and brag they hit that outhouse that "fights back" with the double barrel over-under 40mm shotgun with laser sights and a cup holder on the side.... Wow, that takes skill! :rolleyes:   Skill are these guys that have 40 hops in a fighter with 200 kills in it and with maybe 5 or so deaths... that takes some skill.  Yeah people say those are the guys that run in the hordes and vulch and blah blah blah.  Well, some people are just that good and some aren't.  I wish I was the King of Toolsheding or King of Spawncamping!! That would total rule dude!!
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« Reply #202 on: April 01, 2006, 11:14:35 AM »
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delta...  I am old enough to recall and I don't think that sports today are like that at all...

but... You really can't compare the goal of sports to what we do here... I mean seriously...   "winning the war" is probly the least of most peoples goals who have been around a lot.  

"Winning" means something different to everyone here..  Those that have been around long enough know that you will come and go..  and except for posting here.... no one will even know who you are... we won't fight you to get to know you...

you are a cog in the horde.  Is that your "payoff"?  

To be a tiny little unskilled (or give the appearance to be unskilled) cog in the horde... someone who can only be noticed if they come on here and tell everyone who that faceless nameless cog in the horde is who just ruined the game for a bunch of people?

maybe I am looking at this wrong.... maybe we should seek out the names of the horde that hit a field but really.... us furballers never even bother to find out who it was.

And why would we?   we don't see it as a skill and we don't see any point in making the game any more boring by trying to stop it..

We pretty much feel that it is boring to try to stop you and boring to watch you do it....  If you went away we would not miss you in the least.

contrast that with the guys who really give me a fight and (sadly) kick my butt time after time.... them I rememeber.... I "hate" them but wouldn't have them leave the game for the world... they give me a goal... Killing them is fun...

killing you is boring... not worth mentioning.

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Normally, I'd say yer outspoken Lazs.  In this case, no sir and you lay it all out there.   <> and hopefully I'll be in the MA this weekend to wing with you guys!!
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« Reply #203 on: April 01, 2006, 11:15:51 AM »
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Hooch, yer killing me over here!  That is PRICELESS.
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« Reply #204 on: April 01, 2006, 12:02:36 PM »
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Hooch, yer killing me over here!  That is PRICELESS.


He he took me awhile to find a link to the website to do that picture.  But so true it is. :D
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« Reply #205 on: April 01, 2006, 12:05:50 PM »
Ren ...

Closure rates ... 500 yards is over a quarter mile ... can you even tell what kind of car you're following a quarter mile away? So why do you think you can accurately judge closure rates outside that range? Yet we have people lining up head-on shots at 1000 yards and more. You can even read some of the people in this BBS give "tips" for doing just that. Hence you have HO's up the wazoo. Odds are a newbie will still get his first kill (probably his first 5) from HO's ... but if he has to "hold fire til he sees the white of their spinner" then the rate of success is lower and he'll hopefully look for more efficient tactics.

Ground Kills ... yeah, I know in the real war they counted the same as anything else. But in the real war there was a much more limited supply of things to shoot at, you couldn't shoot the same guy down 12 times in 3 minutes as he tried to taxi from the hangar. And the technique is overused to the point where too many players, I fear, know nothing else. If you kill 12 guys taxiing, you still get your name in lights, your ranking increase, and all that - you just don't get the perks. Kind of like we had in those "other" games, right?


Just to be clear, I'm not making to look this game harder to learn for the newbie. What I am looking for is ways to tweak the MA so that the techniques they use to get their first success are just that - not the toolset they stick with.

When the newbies asks "I just shot down 3 guys at A74 and only got 2 perks ... what happened?" and has it explained that since two of those kills were ground kills they don't get perk rewards, don't you think the newbie will start looking for airborne targets a little more next time?

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« Reply #206 on: April 01, 2006, 12:10:44 PM »
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Hooch, yer killing me over here!  That is PRICELESS.


Cute ... but the caption should read: "When you care enough to suck the very most."

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« Reply #207 on: April 01, 2006, 12:47:47 PM »
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« Reply #208 on: April 01, 2006, 12:47:55 PM »
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Cute ... but the caption should read: "When you care enough to suck the very most."


Here you go Dok just what you wanted.

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« Reply #209 on: April 01, 2006, 01:17:37 PM »
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Stop!!!  I just gave my work pc a Water shower!!!!
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