Author Topic: Loose Cannons - and the future of Aces High (Read 28715 times)

hubsonfire · « **Reply #315 on:** April 05, 2006, 02:38:59 AM »

Back to the core issue here: saying hordes and Path Of Least Resistance tactics are new doesn't make them new. Saying your squad is the best because they do such things doesn't make your squad good.

As a member of the best squad EVAR, in AW or AH, I can make that statement with confidence.

Enough with the insults. It's cartoon planes. WTF is wrong with you guys?

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #316 on:** April 05, 2006, 03:06:46 AM »

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Dok, I hope you are kidding by what you just said, or I hope it's all part of your effort to bring 'hate' into the game. I sure remember hearing about your part in bringing it to AW etc.

Personally I can't take any of it seriously but considering you are supporting the land grab crowd in this and are apparently one of the organizers, I'd think you'd be pleased that those of us who'd otherwise be fighting each other in FT have come out of our 'pointless' little corner of AH and are fighting back.

To quote one of the AW 'legends' many of us were 'raised on" in that sim:

"Aw hell....It's still very basic: See it, hate it, hunt it, kill it. You guys make every thing sound so friggin complicated."

So in the end we're just practicing what you preached.

I was fine with all this, Guppy, even kind of digging seeing folks get worked up about something other than the usual "my ride is porked" rants ... until the hypocricy gauge was pegged. And the level of dishonesty I'm seeing here and in the MA is at a very disappointing level.

I fly with the LCA (I'm still a member of the Flying Pigs though) for the reasons I stated ... I like having a choice. I have yet to even use the mission editor. I don't explicitly support either land grab or furballing ... I support having choices. The more things there are to do the better the game is and the more chances for any given player to find something that he likes and is good at. With the exception of augering porkdweebs, of course - that doesn't count as any kind of skill.

Arlo · « **Reply #317 on:** April 05, 2006, 06:55:34 AM »

I still anticipate a revival of the 4Q squad.

killnu · « **Reply #318 on:** April 05, 2006, 07:05:16 AM »

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until the hypocricy gauge was pegged

what is hypocritical about upping into biggest dar bar we see?

i could understand if we went to an undefended base, dropped all hangars, maybe even town, then left. that might be hypocritical. or looked for best fight on map, went and dropped the FHs after being asked not to, left VH so 20+ gvs roll out, then left. that be hypocritical too. but we dont do either. and yes, ive seen that done on both rooks and nits, but the nits it hasnt happen to me multiple times on a nightly basis yet....its actually only happened twice so far to me.

im sorry you dont like the fact i dont like that style of play and i am trying to do something about it.

eh · « **Reply #319 on:** April 05, 2006, 09:00:41 AM »

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Enough with the insults. It's cartoon planes. WTF is wrong with you guys?

Amen to that hubsonfire.

Simaril · « **Reply #320 on:** April 05, 2006, 09:12:51 AM »

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And Sim ... I'm pretty sure I've flown with you on Rooks and you are quite removed from "mediocre" ... knock it off.

Made me think...and as it seems to have some bearing to player eveolution in the game, lemme tell you where I was coming from.

To make the long story short, each time I improve, I realize how much farther I have to go. After learning the mechanics, and getting some grip on ACM (this was my first serious flight sim), and playing for score a tour or 2, and getting good at conservative flying (so I could get the KPD as high as my lack of patience allows),....

Now I'm trying to get down in the dirt, be disadvantged, and still win. And at this kind of game, I'm not good at all...yet. I hope to get my timing and moves better, and when I see guys landing big numbers in turners, or glide through the moves I jerk/spasm through, and hit the high deflections at the end if barrel rolls -- i feel like a raw newb again.

So even though I do well aginst many in the MA, compared to guys who know how to fight (like the 475th or the BKs, plus a legion of others), i definitely feel mediocre to poor. And truthfully "knowing how to fight" is the standard I want to hold myself up to.

Brenjen · « **Reply #321 on:** April 05, 2006, 09:23:38 AM »

The Knights problem is that we are disorganized...we don't drop everything but the VH then leave on purpose!:rofl I have run troops many times in a row to a base only to have a lone fighter pop me like a tick from out of nowhere over & over. I stopped telling the guys on range where I was...I stopped getting popped. Spys? probably. I have run buffs to drop the vh at a V-base we were having some impossible to fathom difficulties in taking....announce on range " I'm lined up on the hangars" no response - "bombs away on the hangars" & the last two drop from 110's as my bombs are falling ( & not from very high either ) I like to help guys out when they need it, it gives me a sense of satisfaction.

Oh b.t.w. Dokgonzo; the one & only time I saw an L.C.A. raid there was over twenty boxes of buffs & a handful of escort fighters....that's over sixty planes in bombers alone. I don't know if it's me your calling a liar or not, & I don't really give a crap but I know the time I saw them there were more than 16 guys.

Simaril · « **Reply #322 on:** April 05, 2006, 09:25:58 AM »

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sim, i was on when you said that about 21...looked at dar and knits still there, they didnt leave it. and that was to keep the hi help from 21 going to 22, which we took.....snip

Yeah, I'm not surprised the emphasis was different. I was at 21 for most of a couple hours, and saw everything from high alt cons diving in to mid level dogfights, then on the deck, and then a good while of vulching/ attempted picks. Couple times buff boxes came over, dropped some or all the hangars, and then disappear.

When I went on 200, buffs had hit the hangars, got shot down, and a wave of fighters was dispatched. I upped another hurri, and there was...nothing. 3 green cons, and nothing. So, to be honest, that 200 message was my attempt at a taunt to get more things to fight. (I've DEFINITELY not good at smack talk.)

I guess the bar was made of nits insulating 22 from 21, but since I was ready to fight another wave of low enemies I felt ...abandoned? hehe

EDIT: THe hording was real tho, at that base and at other bases I went to. Massed numbers, vulches, and picks, 5 reds chasing a green, the whole 9 yards. Like I said, that's life....

Goth · « **Reply #323 on:** April 05, 2006, 09:29:05 AM »

I think this is being blown out of proportion, people are making the LCA out to the mountain out of a molehill type issue. 475th, gonna miss you guys, but I did have fun fighting against you a couple of nights ago.

Personally, I'm glad to see some of the squads leave the rook side, having overwhelming numbers is not fun for me. Rooks have not always had the numbers, I do remember a long period where we were seriously outnumbered badly.....ebb and flow.

Generally, I let the LCA do their thing until it infringes on my fun. When that happens, known associates in other countries get a PM to put out location info. Call me what you want on that issue, but at least you know who lets the cat out of the bag, so don't toolshed where I'm having fun furballing.

P.S. Oh yeah, Simaril does suck!

j/k Sima

killnu · « **Reply #324 on:** April 05, 2006, 10:57:01 AM »

Sim, guess we was just seeing same thing at different base...way it goes i guess. i was getting jumped my 2-4 hi guys alot, and jumping 2-6 guys on a single squaddie...its all over, not just one side.

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #325 on:** April 05, 2006, 11:21:10 AM »

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Oh b.t.w. Dokgonzo; the one & only time I saw an L.C.A. raid there was over twenty boxes of buffs & a handful of escort fighters....that's over sixty planes in bombers alone. I don't know if it's me your calling a liar or not, & I don't really give a crap but I know the time I saw them there were more than 16 guys.

~~Yeah ... and I said it was rarely more than 16 *people* unless it's something special ... like a big bomber mission. Nice try. Well, not really.~~

Edbert · « **Reply #326 on:** April 05, 2006, 11:44:05 AM »

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...its all over, not just one side.

Truer words are seldom spoken. Having flown for all the countries for some time over the last ~6 years in the AH-MA...they all horde, they all pork, they are all alt-dweebs, they all cherrypick and fly skies full of spit/ElGay/N1Ks. Just like they all get horded/ganged/porked/picked by skies full of easy-mode enemy pile-its.

I'm with Hub...this IS just a game ya know. Maybe it will evolve away from being a way of life for you guys soon after you evolve away from the thrill of killing things that don't fight back or shoot back. Then you can just log on, fly with some buddies, drink a beer or eight, do some killing and some dying, and have a few laughs...unless some dork has killed all the FHs that is...LOL....

DamnedRen · « **Reply #327 on:** April 05, 2006, 11:58:02 AM »

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Originally posted by hubsonfire
As a member of the best squad EVAR, in AW or AH, I can make that statement with confidence.

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH AHA.

Stop it! Yer killing me! You guys are so funny! HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE

Ya made me fall outa my chair and drop my coffee. Good thing I have dogs!

Thanks! You made my day! Now I'll be heading off to work with a smile on my face!

Simaril · « **Reply #328 on:** April 05, 2006, 12:10:55 PM »

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Sim, guess we was just seeing same thing at different base...way it goes i guess. i was getting jumped my 2-4 hi guys alot, and jumping 2-6 guys on a single squaddie...its all over, not just one side.

No doubt, no doubt.

The guys who were banging away were generally folks I hadnt heard much of, and they were probably just enjoying the shoe being on the other foot in a major (and well deserved) way. No worries.

The times I run into you folks of the 475th, there's generally no doubt -- good sticks all, with that terribly annoying tendency to have commited fsquaddies right there nearby to kill me if I ever somehow get the advantage on one of you....

Brenjen · « **Reply #329 on:** April 05, 2006, 12:23:39 PM »

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Nice try. Well, not really.

What was that supposed to mean? My point was, 20 players in buffs & another 6 or 7 in fighters is more than the "typical 12 -16" I saw mentioned....and as I stated I only ran across them one time so my observations could & probably were skewed. I must've missed the remark about "unless it's something special" that you used to quantify your statement (statements) as this is a long tedious thread & is even spilling over into others I'm sure you understand...or maybe you don't it doesn't really matter. I like multiple targets to shoot at, I very seldom win no matter WHAT I'm shooting at anyway, I just really hate it when I'm outnumbered in such a fashion because I have nearly ZERO chance of doing anything but dying. I am not saying the diaper guys are wrong for what they are doing, or the guys swapping sides to hunt them, but I do see a lot of taunting & infantile remarks being slung & for what? I saw you get hit with some remarks that it didn't appear you deserved, but you hit right back so it's all good I suppose.