Author Topic: Loose Cannons - and the future of Aces High (Read 26259 times)

mars01 · « **Reply #375 on:** April 06, 2006, 10:51:27 AM »

Last night was a good example:

There was a good fight raging between Knights A5 and Bish A27 or 227 whatever. For the better part of an hour the Buffs were comming in under 10k and the defense at 5 was able to keep them at bay so they could not kill out hangers. The fighting was good and constant and went back and forth but stayed mostly between the bases.

Then some maroon knights got through to 27 and dropped the hangers, much to my enjoyment and suprise the Bish started upping bomber boxes and trying to push across the water, which made for more good fun. They held us off long enough till finally their FHrs came back up and they started upping fighters in droves and the fight was back on. (This was mostly due to the fact that I don't think Knights were concerned about taking 27)

Then the high alt 4 to 6 box buffs started to show up on top of A5. They leveled everything except Troops and Supplies. What this did was force everyone that was defending 5 to up from a base at least a sector away. This in turn forced everyone into LA7s and 262s for the sector or better commute.

So ultimately what happend? A great raging fight with all kinds of planes was reduced to a mild speed fest. So to think that individuals and groups can not affect this game is retarded.

Zazen is correct in that the actions of a few can have a great affect on the enjoyment of the many.

lazs2 · « **Reply #376 on:** April 06, 2006, 10:54:42 AM »

I believe that HT himself has said that this is not war but a game...

War is not meant to be fun.. this is.

If one group manages to spoil the fun for a large number of players by using the gameplay that is here.... Since it is only a game and a game that is meant to keep the most players happy and having..... fun ..

That griefer gameplay will be eliminated or modified. We have all seen it in the past.

What normaly happens is that the missunz dudz get up a lot of steam at first and then the sheer weight of the boredom of what they do eventually makes it so that they lose members.... Who want's to go on another boring mission right?

Their greatest hope is that other players will actually participate and try to stop them. This really never happens in any organized way since...

it is allmost as boring to fight them as it is to be them.

Soooo... either they will go away naturaly or.... enough people will complain that their gameplay will be modified to the point that it will take skill to do what they do and.... that will cause them to stop.

After all.... once you have to buy a joystick and learn how to use it.... why be in the loosers association?

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

killnu · « **Reply #377 on:** April 06, 2006, 10:58:53 AM »

try this one...

fight going between to bases...mostly low, 8k or lower...all types planes, the occasional low level buff, it goes back and forth between two bases for awhile....good fun...then you see a message on country channel "Mission to xxx", now ya thinking great...matter of minutes, there are bombers inbound the base you have been fighting at, you hear on range,"we will be dropping FHs"...you reply, dont do that, get vh and town, there are plenty of us fighters over here....booom...all FH down, VH up...20 gvs roll out, town untouched....fighters that were fighting now start to rtb, not killing many pnzrs and flaks with 50 cals, no planes up...the mission leader says, "ok guys, strafe down town, we got the FH down for you"....

fun.
glad that has only happened to me 2-3 times in last week or 2, vice 2-3 times a night.

mars01 · « **Reply #378 on:** April 06, 2006, 11:03:53 AM »

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After all.... once you have to buy a joystick and learn how to use it.... why be in the loosers association?

LOLHROTFFPAOMS:lol

Zazen13 · « **Reply #379 on:** April 06, 2006, 11:10:40 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
it is allmost as boring to fight them as it is to be them.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

Truer words have never been spoken..

Alting to 25k to chase b24's = YAWN.

Alting 20k to chase pork n' auger jabos to the deck = BIGGER YAWN...

Zazen

Bronk · « **Reply #380 on:** April 06, 2006, 11:11:47 AM »

With the way things are going in the ma rite now it's time to perk buff boxes. If they want to fly wave after wave of buffs boxes make em pay for them. Then we will really see how effective they are.

Bronk

Zazen13 · « **Reply #381 on:** April 06, 2006, 11:15:16 AM »

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Originally posted by killnu
try this one...

fight going between to bases...mostly low, 8k or lower...all types planes, the occasional low level buff, it goes back and forth between two bases for awhile....good fun...then you see a message on country channel "Mission to xxx", now ya thinking great...matter of minutes, there are bombers inbound the base you have been fighting at, you hear on range,"we will be dropping FHs"...you reply, dont do that, get vh and town, there are plenty of us fighters over here....booom...all FH down, VH up...20 gvs roll out, town untouched....fighters that were fighting now start to rtb, not killing many pnzrs and flaks with 50 cals, no planes up...the mission leader says, "ok guys, strafe down town, we got the FH down for you"....

fun.
glad that has only happened to me 2-3 times in last week or 2, vice 2-3 times a night.

Yup, that's the toolshedder's M.O. Only takes about 5 guys intent on doing this to ruin the fun for 50 others. In any MMPOG anytime a very few people can ruin the game for very many people a serious gameplay balance issue exists.

My favorite is after ruining our fun fight they start barking orders at us...get a fuggin' clue...jeez...

I forget who it was, may have been Delerium, but on Donut there were some friendly buff tards continuously working FHs at FT. We all agreed not to kill any enemy fighters attacking them, that worked pretty well, I don't think any got thru all night.

Zazen

Zazen13 · « **Reply #382 on:** April 06, 2006, 11:19:40 AM »

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Originally posted by Bronk
With the way things are going in the ma rite now it's time to perk buff boxes. If they want to fly wave after wave of buffs boxes make em pay for them. Then we will really see how effective they are.

Bronk

B24's should have been a perked buff imho. Would have given the buff guys something to spend their perks on and it's by a very large margin the best buff in the game...I agree that since bombing was made incredibly simplistic there should be a cost assosiated with flying a formation of any buff. It was different back when formations were instituted, the calibration process was far from the ez-mode point n' click affair it is now...

Zazen

Bronk · « **Reply #383 on:** April 06, 2006, 11:24:24 AM »

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Originally posted by killnu
try this one...

fight going between to bases...mostly low, 8k or lower...all types planes, the occasional low level buff, it goes back and forth between two bases for awhile....good fun...then you see a message on country channel "Mission to xxx", now ya thinking great...matter of minutes, there are bombers inbound the base you have been fighting at, you hear on range,"we will be dropping FHs"...you reply, dont do that, get vh and town, there are plenty of us fighters over here....booom...all FH down, VH up...20 gvs roll out, town untouched....fighters that were fighting now start to rtb, not killing many pnzrs and flaks with 50 cals, no planes up...the mission leader says, "ok guys, strafe down town, we got the FH down for you"....

fun.
glad that has only happened to me 2-3 times in last week or 2, vice 2-3 times a night.

Or how about the tag along who drop the troops and ords. Got to love these dweebs.
Had this happen a bunch of times squad goes in drops VH and ack. We have 2 110s dropping town with goon otw. Then some hero in a d9 or tiffy comes in drops troops and ords at a base about to captured. This is one time I wish kill shooter was off.

Bronk

Zazen13 · « **Reply #384 on:** April 06, 2006, 11:27:20 AM »

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Originally posted by Bronk
Or how about the tag along who drop the troops and ords. Got to love these dweebs.
Had this happen a bunch of times squad goes in drops VH and ack. We have 2 110s dropping town with goon otw. Then some hero in a d9 or tiffy comes in drops troops and ords at a base about to captured. This is one time I wish kill shooter was off.

Bronk

Further proof intelligence is not required to be a toolshedder just a desire and willingness to grief...

Zazen

96Delta · « **Reply #385 on:** April 06, 2006, 11:30:39 AM »

I have a serious question.
What do you dedicated furballers
(players who want to do noting but have dogfights)
get out of the game? Don't you ever get bored with
the repetitiveness of it? What I mean is, it seems
so pointless to me.

Take off, dogfight, get a couple of kills,
land them and do it all over again? Is that it?
Doesn't that get stale after a while?

I did the fighter plane/dogfight thing pretty much
exclusively during my last two subscriptions. A
bomber missionw as a rarity, as was mission
participation. Know what? I got bored both times
and canceled my subscription.

But now, thanks to the LCA, I've discovered all the
richness that the game has to offer and am finally
enjoying all the depth that this game has.

Now, what do you get out of it? And how can you not
get bored after a couple of weeks doing the same thing
over and over like I did?

The LCA does alot of different things! We dogfight,
we bomb, we capture bases, we do tank battles,
PT boat stuff, we resupply bases, etc....

What I can't for the life of me udnerstand is
why on earth anyone would just want to eat the
same meal everyday when the menu is so rich
with alternatives? Why limit yourselves?

I'm really puzzled by this seemingly obsessive view of
only one aspect of this incredibly diverse game.
Please enlighten me. What am I missing?
Is is all about seeing your name is lights? What
is it?

Zazen13 · « **Reply #386 on:** April 06, 2006, 11:35:45 AM »

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Originally posted by 96Delta
I have a serious question.
What do you dedicated furballers
(players who want to do noting but have dogfights)
get out of the game? Don't you ever get bored with
the repetitiveness of it? What I mean is, it seems
so pointless to me.

I've played these games 16 years, in that time I've killed at least a quarter of a million virtual aircraft in at least one hundred thousand seperate engagements. I have never once, ever, had the same fight twice. I always learn something from every fight...So to answer your question, no, it never gets boring...That adrenalin rush from a good fight is as intense now as it was 16 years ago...Try it, you might like it...

P.S. 'Fighting' isn't diving past 15 cons in your La7 to vulch up and down the runway before you finally lose enough E to get wacked...That would definately get very boring, very fast...

Zazen

96Delta · « **Reply #387 on:** April 06, 2006, 11:37:39 AM »

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Originally posted by Zazen13
Try it, you might like it...

Zazen

Please read my post more cerefully Zazen.
Thank you.

Pooface · « **Reply #388 on:** April 06, 2006, 11:40:36 AM »

Delta, dogfighting isnt all the same. if it was for you then you weren't furballing properly, you must have been one of the hotard lgays or something:rolleyes:

Zazen13 · « **Reply #389 on:** April 06, 2006, 11:41:44 AM »

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Originally posted by Pooface
Delta, dogfighting isnt all the same. if it was for you then you weren't furballing properly, you must have been one of the hotard lgays or something:rolleyes:

96Delta is one of those Lgay7 drivers that dive past the furball to the runway to vulch cons landing or taking off types, that's his idea of 'fighting'.

Zazen