Author Topic: Loose Cannons - and the future of Aces High (Read 28365 times)

Lazerr · « **Reply #90 on:** March 30, 2006, 01:56:34 AM »

LCA is really pretty sweet...

FOR ME TO POOP ON!

FiLtH · « **Reply #91 on:** March 30, 2006, 08:41:31 AM »

PEOPLE!!!

The MA is made to try to please ALL types. It can't be 100% to everyone's liking. Thats impossible.

Fighter guys..for one second, pretend you only like bombers in here. What would you want to bomb? A strat..that does nothing, or a base you are trying to capture, and shutting the base done allows the goon in to do it?

Bomber guys, pretend you only like fighters. How would you like it if the base you were upping from wasnt under heavy attack to capture, but some bomber was just taking down the FHs just for something to do? Forcing you to up at a base further back and denying fast play?

If there was one arena for fighter types, with 3 bases, that couldnt be porked, the furballs would happen, but without the drama of bombers, it would get stale and many would lose interest over time.

If there was a bomber arena, people would tire of milkruns without enough enemy to make it exciting.

Im all for changes in the MA as far as base damage, and plane availabilty, but harping on eachother isnt going to change it. Direct your opinions to those that matter, those that can change the design, rather than continuing this debate among ourselves. All it does is make bad blood between us, when we all want the same thing.

thndregg · « **Reply #92 on:** March 30, 2006, 08:47:04 AM »

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Originally posted by FiLtH
Im all for changes in the MA as far as base damage, and plane availabilty, but harping on eachother isnt going to change it. Direct your opinions to those that matter, those that can change the design, rather than continuing this debate among ourselves. All it does is make bad blood between us, when we all want the same thing.

~~Filth! It's nice for once to see that a little bit of coffee and a fresh mind in the morning actually turns out a constructive reply. I just said something similar in another thread, LOL!~~

nark · « **Reply #93 on:** March 30, 2006, 09:32:33 AM »

is that vossman from aw or a different person?

Donzo · « **Reply #94 on:** March 30, 2006, 09:55:40 AM »

All this talk about toolshedder this and toolshedder that.
Why is it that the people who do not like this method of play do nothing to stop it? I mean if you see that it's coming, do something to stop it.
Many times when I have decided to take up some bombers to take out some FH's or a VH I have been met at altitude with some nme fighters.
These guys get it. When this happens I generally stop and go somewhere else or do somthing different.

All I hear is "I want to furball and you are making that difficult for me!" So what? Do something about it.

thndregg · « **Reply #95 on:** March 30, 2006, 10:36:35 AM »

Again, it is the "path of least resistance" to yap arrogance than to actively defend. It may or may not change peoples minds, but it will never ever change into the prefered style of play of some individuals so long as HT maintains the MA in it's current design.

Hence:

This is the song that never ends.
Yes, it goes on and on, my friend...

SlapShot · « **Reply #96 on:** March 30, 2006, 10:50:32 AM »

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Originally posted by Donzo
All this talk about toolshedder this and toolshedder that.
Why is it that the people who do not like this method of play do nothing to stop it? I mean if you see that it's coming, do something to stop it.
Many times when I have decided to take up some bombers to take out some FH's or a VH I have been met at altitude with some nme fighters.
These guys get it. When this happens I generally stop and go somewhere else or do somthing different.

All I hear is "I want to furball and you are making that difficult for me!" So what? Do something about it.

That is not what this thread is all about, but since you brought it up and seem to be confused ... I'll try to explain.

If the Toolshedders/Landgrabbers come to a base with intentions to take the base ... organized effort with goons and/or M3 waiting in the wings ... then by all means, do what it takes to capture the field.

The bone of contention is when the above is not the case and the Toolshedders/Landgrabbers come to a base with intentions of simply leveling the field because ... "The furball is taking up too many resources" or they simply want to grief the enjoyment of the furballers to get a rise out of them.

Conversly, do you know of any cases where "furballers" actively fly across a front and take down all ordinance so that the Toolshedders/Landgrabbers can't up with bombs and/or rockets to grief them and their idea of fun ?

Hope that helps.

B@tfinkV · « **Reply #97 on:** March 30, 2006, 10:55:29 AM »

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Originally posted by SlapShot
grief the enjoyment of the furballers to get a rise out of them.

Conversly, do you know of any cases where "furballers" actively fly across a front and take down all ordinance so that the Toolshedders/Landgrabbers can't up with bombs and/or rockets to grief them and their idea of fun ?

Hope that helps.

maybe we should

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #98 on:** March 30, 2006, 11:16:24 AM »

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Originally posted by FiLtH
PEOPLE!!!

The MA is made to try to please ALL types. It can't be 100% to everyone's liking. Thats impossible.

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Im all for changes in the MA as far as base damage, and plane availabilty, but harping on eachother isnt going to change it. Direct your opinions to those that matter, those that can change the design, rather than continuing this debate among ourselves. All it does is make bad blood between us, when we all want the same thing.

What's so hilarious about all this is that, with the exception of the FT escapade and the occasional mega-buff raid, all LCA pretty much does is run base capture and fighter sweep missions with 12 to 16 people. Usually in 110's and La-5's for base attack, or a mix of P51's and P38's for sweeps (and usually half that mix is 51B's and 38G's). That's all. The group doesn't spy, cheat, or abuse the game mechanics. Nor does it engage in the array of "gaming" activities that fester in the MA. While some missions are high risk, none of the obvious suicide affairs like most of the base attacks that otherwise transpire. Target selection is based on quite proper military strategy ... this is military combat we are simulating, remember? That's why everyone has a gun.

You'd think we were spraying Phosgene on orphans from the reaction by this "community."

-DoK

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #99 on:** March 30, 2006, 11:23:24 AM »

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Originally posted by SlapShot
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Conversly, do you know of any cases where "furballers" actively fly across a front and take down all ordinance so that the Toolshedders/Landgrabbers can't up with bombs and/or rockets to grief them and their idea of fun ?

SlapShot, most of the people I see killing ord and barracks do it with cannon. And they do it two or three levels deep on the map. No way you're convincing me that such a "tactic" has anything to do with trying to actually capture bases.

Arlo · « **Reply #100 on:** March 30, 2006, 11:34:31 AM »

I think this game should allow players to kill the players that offend them.

Simaril · « **Reply #101 on:** March 30, 2006, 11:35:19 AM »

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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
SlapShot, most of the people I see killing ord and barracks do it with cannon. And they do it two or three levels deep on the map. No way you're convincing me that such a "tactic" has anything to do with trying to actually capture bases.

Honestly, when I've herad people on country talk about doing this -- its the capture guys who see us losing ground when we're heavily outnumbered. Its more of a capture defense, and it may be the only such defense possible when the enemy sets up big hordes swarming from base to base.

Never done this myself, and never seen any LCA guy do it either. But it is a valid use of the rules to defend against numbers, just like porking ord legitimately defends a carrier.

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #102 on:** March 30, 2006, 11:48:18 AM »

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Originally posted by Simaril
Honestly, when I've herad people on country talk about doing this -- its the capture guys who see us losing ground when we're heavily outnumbered. Its more of a capture defense, and it may be the only such defense possible when the enemy sets up big hordes swarming from base to base.

Never done this myself, and never seen any LCA guy do it either. But it is a valid use of the rules to defend against numbers, just like porking ord legitimately defends a carrier.

Sim, it goes on constantly, regardless of odds. I wouldn't call it an organized effort, but it's incessant.

Porking a frontline base I can pretty much justify. Porking two or three levels deep may be "allowed" but it gives one player way too much ability to negatively impact many.

Edbert · « **Reply #103 on:** March 30, 2006, 12:35:42 PM »

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Originally posted by Grits
How long until TAS comes out?

I don't know, ask Voss, he's back and posting in this re-run of a dozen old TFHs..

Donzo · « **Reply #104 on:** March 30, 2006, 01:40:03 PM »

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Originally posted by SlapShot
Conversly, do you know of any cases where "furballers" actively fly across a front and take down all ordinance so that the Toolshedders/Landgrabbers can't up with bombs and/or rockets to grief them and their idea of fun ?

Not off hand.
This is exactly what I am suggesting should be done instead of the whining.