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TheWobble

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« on: January 30, 2001, 10:12:00 PM »
Everyone knows the Record company's and the Owner of Napster's opinions on this, what are Yours??  

Is napster harmful to the Music artists?
Is it harmful to consumers??

Offline J_A_B

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« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2001, 12:55:00 AM »
I have been known to use Napster on occasion, and I like it.   Of course, it's probably fraud as you put it, but that doesn't stop about 25 million people from downloading to their hearts content.  It's almost like a modern Robin Hood--rob from the companies and give to the average people.

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« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2001, 01:24:00 AM »
I HATE IT ! Because when the wife's Downloading I get Spikes in my AH connection !

 
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« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2001, 01:26:00 AM »
My defense on the part of Napster is the fact that by the time an artist is popular enough to be "victimized" on Napster they have already made enough money to live the rest of their lives in great confort.  BTW 2 million dollars at even crappy interest say (7%) from a savings account will allow you to live the rest of your life in great luxury, and if you cant live on 140,000 a year you have problems.  Therefore if the artist is being downloaded a lot on Napster it is more than a safe bet to assume they are already set for life.
 So the record company saying Napster victimizes their clients is somewhat negated.

My defense for the record company is...."we are filthy rich and we want more money"

hmmm.. wonder which one I am biased twords

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« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2001, 02:13:00 AM »
Well my good friend TheWobble I agree with you.

Being a part time musician myself and knowing how the "biz" works, I can tell you most artists lose little or nothing with napster. Record companies do. And record companies are blood sucking bastards. The artists that DO lose money are already rich enough to buy Canada.

Small time artists and indie bands actually benefit from Napster. I know of quite a few bands who owe their success to Napster  and Mp3.com

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« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2001, 02:47:00 AM »
"already rich enough to buy Canada."
LOL!

thats a good one
 

Ya I had a few friends in a band a while back, they got as far as playing a few Austin clubs but split when 2 of them went to college out of state, they were all napster junkies, It seems that for the most part musicians dont hate napster and many actually like it....accept Lars from Metallica, that avacadoweed  


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« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2001, 03:25:00 AM »
Total BS.

Napster is theft, no two ways about it. Everything else just rationalization for theft. "They must be rich, so it must be ok". I guess it would be OK if I broke into Gate's house and took a few things then, eh?

You have no idea how little musicians make... even the ones with huge signing bonuses and 4 album deals. The record company screws ya over, and on top of that, they recently (all but one) settled with Napster for hundreds of millions... Who got that money? Not the artists.

How can this possibly be any different from software piracy or JoeMud screwin' AH over? It aint.

This "they're rich (BS) so it's ok" attitude is crap.

Animal, if you know as much about the biz as you say, you wouldn't have that opinion. Sure - unsigned bands can benefit. But we all know the absolute majority of downloads aint the ones nobodies heard of.

At its very base level, this argument is untennable. You didn't create it, you didn't buy it, hence it aint yours to steal. I've heard so many forms of justification of theft wrt napster that it's silly.

Haven't heard one that makes any sense to me yet.

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« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2001, 03:29:00 AM »
well here is one, if it is so evil and hurts the artists so much how come when asked most have nothing against it and many like it...and they ARE the musicians..and just maby they know more than you...???

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« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2001, 03:35:00 AM »
Yeah, you know so much about it don't ya wobble?

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« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2001, 03:40:00 AM »
 
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Originally posted by Nash:
Haven't heard one that makes any sense to me yet.

How about this one...

I like many different kinds of music, some of which I wouldn't ever value enough to pay for (my 700MB 80's directory for example).  Add that to the fact that I don't have any problem justifying it with myself, and there you go.  Whether that makes me a lowlife theif or just some dude who likes music and has a way to get it for free.  

On the other hand, if and when Napster ever goes pay, I'm likely to subscribe.  But hopefully CenterSpan does it sooner and better.


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« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2001, 04:08:00 AM »
"Yeah, you know so much about it don't ya wobble? "

Yup,

been following it in the napster boards and in the news since Napster came out, plus im open minded which some would consider a virtue...unless they are closed minded folks that only see things as good or bad/black or white.  And seeing as how (in your words)"The record company screws ya over" that aswell is "wrong" therefore but yet it is so, and is accepted.  So how can a person hold animosity against napster when they are not doing anything more "wrong" than the record companies.

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« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2001, 04:11:00 AM »
I use Napster to search those oldies I owned in -70's -80's.

Also I have made some cd's for my friends by recording their old LP's to my HD and after small "make-up" burned them to CD. If some song is having too much  "snap-crackle-pops" I usually open Napster and check if I could find better version from there.

I could use Napster more but guess all good songs are already done in -80's  

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« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2001, 04:13:00 AM »
"I could use Napster more but guess all good songs are already done in -80's "

I hear that,

WHO LET THE DOGS OUT! <barf barf barf>

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« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2001, 05:16:00 AM »
Back when the cd came out, we were told that the high prices were because it was a new media.

Then we were told it was to remain high because for every succesful selling artist, the record companies would have 9 unsucesful.

Damned if I am gonna pay for their sucky way of doing business.

They've had it coming for a long time. The artists (today, there aren't any artists left; rather Factory Workers like Spears and put together boy bands) on average get only 10% of the price for a cd; rest goes to anxillary personell.

I've used Napster to track down rare bootlegs. I use it to scout for new music; once I find something worth having, I order the cd. Which is then converted into mpg, because that way I can boost the bass more  .

Here yer not even allowed to make mp3's of yer own cd's. Once again and idiotic government.

And, as Napster points out, it's not them who do the pirating - it's the users.

If Napster goes, so shoulĉd guns, because they're involved in crime. Or cars, because they kill people.

Instead of seeing Napster as a huge possibility/new way of marketing themselves, they see it as a threat. Old dinosaurs that aren't keeping up to date with technology and are paying for past sins.

Hope they all rot and die.


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« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2001, 05:20:00 AM »
"Old dinosaurs that aren't keeping up to date with technology and are paying for past sins."

TESTIFY!
 

Oh yea..
dont say the G.U.N word either, we dont want that stinky stew brewin in here