Author Topic: toolshedders and Furballers, you both need each other. (Read 2660 times)

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #15 on:** April 08, 2006, 12:51:28 PM »

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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
without toolshedders my game (as a dedicated lover of fur) would suffer some serious negatives.

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Clearly you don't represent All Lovers of Fur.

Check with Zazen for immediate attitude correction.

Flayed1 · « **Reply #16 on:** April 08, 2006, 12:54:03 PM »

"The fluffers could go away and the furballers would not be affected except in a positive way.... furballers in no way need fluffs in the game.

Now, let's turn it around.... the oppossite is not true. The game would be nothing without the furballers and fighters. Who ya gonna greif then? other fluffers? LOL."

This is not totally true I probably qualify as one of your hated bomber pilots but I also fly fighters. I also know allot of other base take types like myself that fly fighters be they heavy or light to engage the defenders but we do fly them and there are a # of base take guys that just fly fighters. So it seems to me that you ballers are not needed in the game as we base take types can fill in where needed. We are versitile and can have fun in either role.

Soooo if you went away it wouldn't make much of a difference because you ballers are so narrow minded and don't want to be in the "WAR" and really don't seem to have much effect on it I can't say we would miss you. In fact I can't say I knotice you much now except for these rediculous Baller vs Buffer threads that go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and...... well you get the idea.

Vudak · « **Reply #17 on:** April 08, 2006, 01:44:33 PM »

Read a million of these posts so won't bother with any but the first, buuuut:

The bottom line is alot of people use this game for stress relief. Whether that be by pretending you're on an important mission to capture a base, or pretending your a hotshot fighter pilot going after the other guy. Both are ways to escape reality for a short while and clear their head of life's woes.

Unfortunately, the guy who's pretending he's on an important mission gets ticked when other people aren't helping him out.

Equally unfortunately, guy who's pretending he's a hotshot fighter pilot gets ticked when he doesn't run into someone who wants to fight him (ie, a person on his way to take care of that mission).

Chicken or egg, the FHs go down. Sometimes for the mission, sometimes to try and get people to join another one. Sometimes because the pretending hotshot didn't want to pretend he was on Defense of the Reich duty and shoot down those B17s for a sortie or two. I know I sure as heck don't want to.

Can we coexist? Yep. Been doing it for years, will do it forever. Are we going to constantly ***** at each other on the BBs and in game when our idea of relaxation/pretending is impeeded upon by someone else's? Yep. Been doing it for years, will do it forever.

Does it beat going to work? Yep. Been like that for years and will be forever.

All in all, not so bad.

S!

lazs2 · « **Reply #18 on:** April 08, 2006, 01:48:12 PM »

well.... it will all be moot when the CT comes out and all the real history lovers and fluffers go there and us poor furballers are left to fend for ourselves in the MA..

All you "win the war" types are going there right?

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #19 on:** April 08, 2006, 02:00:18 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
well.... it will all be moot when the CT comes out and all the real history lovers and fluffers go there and us poor furballers are left to fend for ourselves in the MA..

All you "win the war" types are going there right?

Ahahahahaa ... good one!

And never was heard, a toolshedding word, once CT comes out ... oh yeah ... and Dick Cheney's doing a speach for gun control ... and they found WMD's in Al Capone's meat locker ...

Waffle · « **Reply #20 on:** April 08, 2006, 02:02:33 PM »

Not sure...

All the furballer types ever gonna go to the DA?

Shaky · « **Reply #21 on:** April 08, 2006, 02:04:21 PM »

Thanks Vudak...a bit of sanity there.

Fact is, the game is designed as a "base taking" game, the core design systems revolve around that. It was made that way to give the planes a place to fly that had some "meaning", ie: a goal to work towards.

Its possible to use portions of that design to mae ofher player experiences less than enjoyable. A prime example of that is the porkers that continually roam the landscape, porking troop, ord, and hangers just to see things go "boom".

These porkers are not a reason to eliminate the core designs of the game, however they may be a reason to modify them. It is possible to keep aircraft on a field supressed without dropping the FH's , so why should the porkers have the ability to drop them completely?

Bombing the FHs should reduce the effetiveness of fighters coming up, but not eleimiate them. How to reduce effectiveness? Dunno...perhaps by limiting the types that can come up based on the damage done.

Suggestion:
5000 lbs damage: ENY<7 disabled
10000 lbs damage: ENY<15 disabled
20000 lbs damage: ENY<35 Disabled

Ordie and troops should operate the same way. Imagine if troops were damaged to the extent that you could only load 2 troops . Well..jeeps would get a lotta use then, wouldn't they?

This could even be weighted against the roster, so that is very difficult to pork fighters on a country that is vastly outnumbered.

Problem is, I doubt that HTC would implement anything this drastic with all the acrimony going through here now. We'd need a unified voice to get his attention at this point.

Rino · « **Reply #22 on:** April 08, 2006, 02:08:40 PM »

Just what we needed, another strat monkey verbal masturbation thread

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #23 on:** April 08, 2006, 02:16:18 PM »

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Originally posted by Shaky
Thanks Vudak...a bit of sanity there.

Fact is, the game is designed as a "base taking" game, the core design systems revolve around that. It was made that way to give the planes a place to fly that had some "meaning", ie: a goal to work towards.

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Problem is, I doubt that HTC would implement anything this drastic with all the acrimony going through here now. We'd need a unified voice to get his attention at this point.

Yup ... I'd love to see base damage effects be analog instead of digital. Suggested it more than a few times in these recent threads. Get people up in the older planes more ... maybe they'd realize they don't need a Spit16 all the damn time.

But, more importantly, if all base assets (FH, bar, ord, etc.) were handled the same way then neither furballs nor missions would be so completely porkable as now, and the true greifers would be out of business.

I know HT reads everything ... gawd I wouldn't have the patience for it ... but until CT is done (and then a few patches released, of course) I don't expect him to put much into changes in the MA.

But if we could agree on a set of changes that would make everyone with at least 3 functioning neurons happy, I bet he'd at least consider it. Especially if we ( <- as in both sides of the debate ) could show reasonable expectataion that it would increase the allure of the game to new players. And if we can get to that point there's no more need to argue about this, it will be settled and only awaiting HT to schedule a few days to koad it all up.

Nah ... makes too much sense ...

Vudak · « **Reply #24 on:** April 08, 2006, 03:11:12 PM »

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Originally posted by Shaky

Fact is, the game is designed as a "base taking" game, the core design systems revolve around that. It was made that way to give the planes a place to fly that had some "meaning", ie: a goal to work towards.

Its possible to use portions of that design to mae ofher player experiences less than enjoyable. A prime example of that is the porkers that continually roam the landscape, porking troop, ord, and hangers just to see things go "boom".

These porkers are not a reason to eliminate the core designs of the game, however they may be a reason to modify them. It is possible to keep aircraft on a field supressed without dropping the FH's , so why should the porkers have the ability to drop them completely?

Bombing the FHs should reduce the effetiveness of fighters coming up, but not eleimiate them. How to reduce effectiveness? Dunno...perhaps by limiting the types that can come up based on the damage done.

Suggestion:
5000 lbs damage: ENY<7 disabled
10000 lbs damage: ENY<15 disabled
20000 lbs damage: ENY<35 Disabled

Ordie and troops should operate the same way. Imagine if troops were damaged to the extent that you could only load 2 troops . Well..jeeps would get a lotta use then, wouldn't they?

This could even be weighted against the roster, so that is very difficult to pork fighters on a country that is vastly outnumbered.

Problem is, I doubt that HTC would implement anything this drastic with all the acrimony going through here now. We'd need a unified voice to get his attention at this point.

I pretty much agree with what you said here. I think two of the main things that really tick each camp off are the FHs going down, or the means to take bases going down. If, like you said, the effectiveness of each camp could be severly hurt, but not eliminated completely, each group could still have some measure of fun.

IMO, a tight call field suppression where the FHs are still up and people are willing to risk the vulch is one of the most intense and fun situations in the game, for both sides. I mean you just can't get more hectic then screaming out of the hanger, turning on the ground as tight as you can to avoid getting shot while your buddies in Flaks try to cover you, while all the while there are planes everywhere in the sky chasing each other and crashing to the earth. I certainly don't mind getting vulched in that situation, so long as I can keep trying to up - and heck, I wouldn't mind if I had to take a little earlier bird if that meant I'd DEFINATELY get the chance to at least try to up.

I also certainly don't mind being on the attacking side and swinging in to pop someone one the ground on my way to the next airborne, dodging AA fire all the while, either.

Either way you flip it, it's a blast.

Boxboy · « **Reply #25 on:** April 08, 2006, 03:22:30 PM »

Heh heh Doc you just didn't start you argument far enough back.....BEFORE the game what was the motivation to create the game and what was it based on???

Why WWII of course.....and WE all know that the basis of WWII was for each country to test the mettle of it's respective fighter pilots and it's own aircraft design.

The furballers argument from a historical sense is of course nonsense, the idea of WWII was in fact to control nations and LAND, the bomber was needed to inhibit the enemies ability to wage war, the fighter was needed to inhibit the enemies ability to destroy bombers.

Rudementary My Dear Watson

ChopSaw · « **Reply #26 on:** April 08, 2006, 03:35:10 PM »

Nice initial sentiment, Bat.

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #27 on:** April 08, 2006, 03:52:15 PM »

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Originally posted by Boxboy
Heh heh Doc you just didn't start you argument far enough back.....BEFORE the game what was the motivation to create the game and what was it based on???

Why WWII of course.....and WE all know that the basis of WWII was for each country to test the mettle of it's respective fighter pilots and it's own aircraft design.

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Precisely ...

Battle of Britain ... the Luftwaffe only stopped bombing the British airbases when Leigh-Mallory got on the phone to Goering and told him to stop messing up the furballs.

Battle of Kursk ... a wonderful furball until those damn GV dweebs messed it all up.

Battle of Midway ... same deal, great furball but then some greifer with a high rank moved the Japanese CV's too close and it got 'em sunk.

Battle of Germany ... was the Mother of All Furballs until those damn pansies back in Washington decided they wanted the war to end before a whole generation was killed. Morons.

And, of course, lets not forget that the recent campaign of "shock and awe" in Iraq is nothing more than toolshedding on a grand scale ... remember what kinda plane Bush Sr. flew, afterall. Like father like son.

Gawsh ... things am be so much clearerer now with a historic perspective.

Lye-El · « **Reply #28 on:** April 08, 2006, 04:10:47 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
well.... it will all be moot when the CT comes out and all the real history lovers and fluffers go there and us poor furballers are left to fend for ourselves in the MA..

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

Would that not be the same as a seperate furball arena? I thought the furballers didn't want one? Perhaps you can lobby HT to set up one using the back up MA and disableing everything but fighters. Then you could be in Happy Land. Of course there would not be so many less skilled there for you to lunch on.

After two weeks I'm sure the furballers would be back here saying they can't find any fights in a furball arena.

FiLtH · « **Reply #29 on:** April 08, 2006, 04:46:47 PM »

Although it would be nice, I dont think a separate arena would work. After a while, some guys would get sick of dying and go back to the MA for easier prey. Then it would die out.