toolshedders and Furballers, you both need each other.

[SlapShot]

but seen from afar it looks like the FB crowd are advocating that cheating is justified because of him

From afar ... so you feel the need to put a microscope on it ? for what ? cause you have a hair across you arse (the Kitty is in the blender) for Zazen ?

I don't believe for a second that you honestly believe that the "majority" of furballers even give a rats arse as to the reason why someone would cheat or want to cheat (not coad hacking).

Hubs post clearly pointed out that a "strat" guy (LCA), was using a spy to advance his cause. Why? ... cause they give a rats arse !!!

I have been playing this game for quite some time now and I have NEVER seen that type of cheating/spying going on in either the 13th TAS when I flew with them, nor the BKs since I started with them. These 2 squads have been longtime "furball" squads in AH ... and bottom line ... we could care less where and when a mission is going/lauching, nor where a CV is hidden. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see where a mission has launched nor its destination, if not flown NOE ... no need for spys, ya just gotta to look at the map.

[hubsonfire]

Quick note: While it may have been an LCA who was one the parties involved, at least 2 others,  (the spy, and his liason in rookland) were in a different squad. Also, they were all kids, and as we all know, squeaky teens are inherently evil.

Also, we all know that we all speak mostly for ourselves. I, as an known furballer and vocal proponent for gameplay without griefing, am not a furballer. You're welcome to check my stats on every ID I've ever used to confirm this.

Very few people are pure CTFers, and very few are pure furballers. Banishing either group to another arena under the premise of making both groups happy is still a pile of crap. All this game needs to be perfect for everyone is less griefing.

[DREDIOCK]

Really the bottom line. No matter what the arguement is.
this game is neither about furballing.
It isnt "about the essence of arial combat" and Hitech himself has recently specifically stated that.
But it can also be safely said that nor is is about the landgrab alone.
but whatever you want it to be.

Just as landgrabbers are annoying to furballers
the furballers do themselves a great disservice with their laziness in being unwilling to do what is needed to prevent or delay what they claim to be the ruining of their furball.
Those who claim they are only popping on for a few minutes (and really are doing so) for a quick fight are the only ones who IMO have a legitimate excuse. The rest (because I just dont want to)are just being lazy
If your not willing to put much effort into the game. Dont expect to get much in return

In any event. It aint gonna change

The only place I see the furballers having a legitimate complint and arguement is on the map with FT as the person who designed that map designed it specifically to have a furball area.
and on that specific map. and any other map that may be created like it in the future I will side on the furballers.
But any other map. Far as I can see. all bases are fair game to whatever happens there.

[B@tfinkV]

Originally posted by SlapShot
These 2 squads have been longtime "furball" squads in AH ... and bottom line ... we could care less where and when a mission is going/lauching, nor where a CV is hidden. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see where a mission has launched nor its destination, if not flown NOE ... no need for spys, ya just gotta to look at the map.

not to start anything but this doesnt ring true for me slappy.  clearly you DO care alot about where, when and the targets for these mishuns, as they potentially hold the power to destroy your entire night of gameplay.




the overall truth is that furballers and landgrabbers occupy the same space and will continue to do so for the near future, and arguing about it on these boards has become boring for the deck chair and popcorn crew.

the premise that people destroy FHs just to piss you off........is not only self indulgent and self centered, but also in the majority of cases untrue.

people play the game to do want they can with a WW2 combat aircraft/vehical, Its your job to enjoy your time or bring down a ton of bricks on those that try to stop you having fun (read ingame, not on the BB)



when was the last time you upped a field and flew high cap for 20 mins to defend against bombers?


sorry you expect others to defend your FHs while you furball, or do you just suggest that the buffers are not permited to play at all?



with all due respect intended.

[CAV]

All this game needs to be perfect for everyone is less griefing.

Maybe what we need to do is come to terms on what griefing is.....

1) Is spying griefing?.... on this I would say yes.

2) Bombing the FH on maps with a FT type area? yes

3) Dropping the FH/BH on bases outside of FT or on maps with out a FT area?    I hate to say this but, no.

The furballers may say it is, but what one players see as a fun fight.... many others will see it as a base capture going badly due to the fighters upping there.

CAVALRY

[SuperDud]

I think the major error in all of this is the "Toolshedders/strat vs Furballers" issue itself. Most(not all) "furballers" don't nessicarily hate buffers. They hate the greivers. I don't like, but can except, when a horde of bombers and a goon come rolling in and flatten a base then capture it. Sure it sucks that my little playground was taken away. But with a little luck I can find a new one. If not, I log and take my pastey self outside. What I positively can't stand is the bomber(s) that come in and level the FHs and that's it. They then sometimes gloat on 200 about it.

On the flip side, I'm sure the mishun guys and toolshedders hate that a single tiff goes across the front and takes out ord. and troops. Thus making it frustrating to try to organize things. I'm sure there's other instances you guys can think of but I'll be honest, I'm not a toolshedder so I don't know:D

Both the bombers pointlessly taking out hangers and the tiff taking out ord aren't from either camp. They are the greivers. But since it's a fighter or a bomber, if you are in the opposite camp they automatically become the "toolshedder" or the "furballer". I think some of us don't realize this.

[RTSigma]

What if there are toolshedders that like furballing or furballers that like toolshedding? I enjoy both, isn't that possible for everyone or you gotta wear white or black and not gray?

[SuperDud]

Originally posted by RTSigma
What if there are toolshedders that like furballing or furballers that like toolshedding? I enjoy both, isn't that possible for everyone or you gotta wear white or black and not gray?

No!!!

Pick a side:p


PS: Hi!

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by RTSigma
What if there are toolshedders that like furballing or furballers that like toolshedding? I enjoy both, isn't that possible for everyone or you gotta wear white or black and not gray?

LOL I can honestly say I enjoy just about every aspect of the game.
Thats what I love about the Ma.
I can and do just about anything I feel like at that particular moment from GVing to landgrabbing baseporking to furballing.

And sometimes I blow stuff up just for the sake of blowing stuff up and to get chased all over the place by 5+ people just to see how long I can last or how many of them I can make auger before one finaly gets me with the golden BB

some are dedicate furballers. thats all they want to do. Some just want to grab bases and try to win the war.

Im glad the game. and the MA isnt only about either because if I were forced to do only one I would probably get bored, loose interest, and stop playing altogether

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by SuperDud
I think the major error in all of this is the "Toolshedders/strat vs Furballers" issue itself. Most(not all) "furballers" don't nessicarily hate buffers. They hate the greivers.

by "Greiver" I am assuming you mean the ones that because they get pissed off over always being shot down they come in with bombers to flatten the hangars.

same as the GVers who get sick of being one pinged by a panzer on their tiger so they come back and carpetbomb the GVs comming in from a base which has no troops and only looking for a fun GV battle?

I would agree these people serve no real purpose. But dont see what if anything could or should be done about them other then the players on their own side getting on their case about it

[pluck]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK

But it can also be safely said that nor is is about the landgrab alone.
but whatever you want it to be.

 

i agree 100%.  one of the greatest things about this game, is also in a way its weakness.  this game allows you to do what you want to do.  however it creates 2 parts of the community....which is its weakness.

for someone to say this game is designed to be a war, is not true.  the same way it is not true for someone to say the MA is designed only for furballing.  there are 2 distinct elements of this game, that should be able to co-exist.

the problem being, that, again from my pov, is that parts of the community (some on bbs, some not, and no one inparticular) refuse to recogonize the other side as a legitimate way to play the game.  they think that because there is "a war" it means that they have to do whatever to win.  that said, there is hardly anything about gameplay that has to do with a real war, no attrition, no really significant strategic targets, etc.

this game should appeal to many different types of players.  no furballer could, imho, should want the whole map to become a giant furball as some have suggested......(strat guys)

i don't think splitting the community into sections is helpfull, as some have suggested. (strat guys)

remember, a lot of this started only because people thought it was a good idea to screw with FT, 3 bases on 1 map.

diversity in player base is great for this game, because you can do what you want, when you want.  it is also a weak point/boiling point for the community.  i think alot of the furballer community is only asking that some discretion be used.  

that and, having the landgrabbers yelling at everyone on vox to kill town etc....after they porked the FH's...man that is annoying.  that don't even think that we were there to fight.

but hey, if HTC comes on and says this is a land grab/war sim....fine, i'll shut up.

[mars01]

What if there are toolshedders that like furballing or furballers that like toolshedding? I enjoy both, isn't that possible for everyone or you gotta wear white or black and not gray?

Thank you!  Now can you individuals figure out why a separate arena doesn't work.  I'll explain it anyway.  All those that would think about joining a furball but aren't sure are not going to go to a separate arena, but they sure as hell will just go to that corner of the map and check it out.  And visa versa.  So an End to the completely tunnel vision view of an MA and Furball arena.  No kidding it didn't work in WB.  Why should we have to leave the arena that started as just AtoA combat?

oh, I'm sorry, did you (furballers) think you just get to log in and have the Perfect Fight available everytime without any effort?

OK so who played the beta for AHII? Any hands.  Not one phking base taken, not one bomber not one mission.  All fighters all the time all having a blast.  All I had to do is log in and join the fur going on.

Now does anyone remember how this game started...?  I wasn't there.

Remember the crazy, intense fights that resulted when all you had to do was land on an enemy runway?

That was Beta and on the Beta map it was some of the best, most intense fun this game ever offered.

Oh thanks Toad.  Were there any bombers?  Were there any missunz?  Were there any perk points for resets?  Was there any need for some maroon to take the FHrs down LOLH.


Yeah a furball can be seeded and if you are lucky, there might be enough people logged on, in both countries that realize, "ohh the furball is starting at random base X", and it might last under the griefers radar for a half hour or so.  Yeah you might log in to that lucky night once and a while.

OR

You could end up with a horde and no enemy upping to fight.

Or

You could end up just phking off for 30 mins.

Or

You could go to the FT/TT on the current map and have a great time every time you log in, happily thinking "HT is great" and thrilled that your spending 15 bucks to do it.

AND

All the Strategist can wack each other off all night long killing each others hangers and stopping every fight that starts on the WHOLE REST OF THE MAP.  Notice the rest of the map is for you startegerisat so I could care less how you play, I just want to be able to play my way thats all.  

If you guys couldn't bomb outhouses every night your whining would make our whining look like a whisper.

[CAV]

OK so who played the beta for AHII?

I did.

And I played the very first beta for AH.

What made you think it was going to stay that way? It was a beta test after all?

[mars01]

Who said anything about it staying that way.  It just proves that you didn't need stategery for people to want to battle in AtoA combat.  But if you read my whole post in context you wouldnt get stuck on just the one point.

[Booz]

here's an idea...

   Close the Dueling Areana, no one uses it for the heart pounding hair burning fights on a constant basis in any numbers worth mention.
 
  Then we could harden all MA objects to be undestroyable, remove reset perks & map rotations, turn off war winning, and that should finally make furballers happy.

  Open a new arena with strats destroyable, map resets, capture the flag combat without game considerations for protecting hangars, ammo or troops for those too lazy to protect them. That'll make the strat playing, "win the war" mission types happy.

  Then we'd be... uh... where we are...never mind