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Skuzzy · « **Reply #45 on:** April 14, 2006, 01:14:18 PM »

Sort of the, "throw enough crap against the wall and some of it will stick" approach, eh?

I hear what you are saying, and while I think there are better solutions, there probably is not a better solution which the masses *may* go for. Again, most people do not want the truth, which I beleive to be the basis of the overall problem.

Heck, I would like to see the system modified based on some type of point system, where the poiliticians are awarded points for accomplishing what they *promise* at election time, and remove points for not acheiving said promises. If you are 'zero' points, then you cannot run for office at the next election. While a simplistic suggestion, I hope the idea is worth discussion. It goes to accountability, which is another sore point with me. They aren't.

Toad · « **Reply #46 on:** April 14, 2006, 01:23:17 PM »

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I hear what you are saying, and while I think there are better solutions, there probably is not a better solution which the masses *may* go for. Again, most people do not want the truth, which I beleive to be the basis of the overall problem.

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Well, we also restrained by the Constitution. Hanging them at the end of their term if they haven't made good on their promises is an attractive option but I don't think that's allowed.

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It goes to accountability, which is another sore point with me. They aren't.

Indeed. The way things are currently set up, though, is that they get "held accountable" at re-election time.

That's the system and I don't think it's going to change.

So, within that system, what are our options? Well, we can't hang 'em, so we just have to boot them out of office and try to find one that has gotten the word.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #47 on:** April 14, 2006, 03:14:54 PM »

No, at the end of thier term the masses do not hold the person accountable. That is the problem. They lied to get elected, do what they want, lie again to get elected, do what they want, ad infinitum.

I am not talking about hanging them. I am talking about holding them accountable, or at least a way to hold them accountable where they cannot lie thier way out of it.

I am all for 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it', but the damn thing is busted all to heck. Screw what is in place. It is not working. Change it. Of course, that will not happen either.

lazs2 · « **Reply #48 on:** April 14, 2006, 03:54:29 PM »

I just don't see any way out. This generation is scared to death of the government and the only way we can vote is to vote for a republican...

sure... we can protest vote some worthless third party guy who doesn't stand a chance but....

All that does is allow a liberal socialist democrat in.... no republican can be as bad as all that.

Nash would love to see a liberal socialist US so that it would be as screwed up as his country.

lazs

Stringer · « **Reply #49 on:** April 14, 2006, 03:59:18 PM »

If a serious third party did grab enough congressional seats, and it would only take a few seats to get attention, then if nothing else, the other two parties would have to take notice and alter their behavior somewhat. I know it would only be temporary, but the sting from the slap can linger.

DiabloTX · « **Reply #50 on:** April 14, 2006, 04:10:27 PM »

Even if a third party becomes successful and manages go get it's foot in the door, the stampede from both sides of the aisle screaming, "Yeah, I was really like that third party before and now I can come out and tell the people what I really think!" would be deafening. And then the third party would be tainted. I am with SCSI on this one, I just don't see a solution anytime soon on the matter so I don't really give a **** either.

lazs2 · « **Reply #51 on:** April 14, 2006, 04:26:50 PM »

stringer.... how would any third party grab "enough" seats?

If you are dumb enough to vote for democrats then I would say that voting for a third party is a real viable solution.

Everyone else just needs to remember that we can't allow democrats to get in.

There is no hope on the horizon because we will put up with whatever they throw at us.... we stand in our stocking feet at the airport and allow ourselves to be searched...

We allow them to tell us to wear helmets and seatbelts and what kind of firearms we can own....

hell.... if they said that in order to keep people from falling assleep at the wheel..... we all had to pull over every hour of driving and get out and hop up and down on one foot and flap our arms like a chicken...

most of us would ask.....

How high and how long do we do it for?

lazs

Skuzzy · « **Reply #52 on:** April 14, 2006, 04:36:16 PM »

There is absolutely no gaurantee the Republicans would be any better in the regards you mention lazs. Just because they say so, does not make it so.

They are just as much tied to the shoestrings of lobbyists and big money as any other politician. They will say or do whatever it takes to get elected and then do what they want.

lazs2 · « **Reply #53 on:** April 14, 2006, 04:49:33 PM »

skuzzy... there is no guarentee.... you are correct... there is history tho.

Republican are walking toward totalitarian socialism while democrats are running.

You don't vote for the man.... you vote for the party cause... in the end...on anything you or I might think is important.... they all vote right on down along party lines.... sure... they let a few stray from the pack to make it look good.... so long as they still get the vote they want.

look at immigration and how it is voted on... look at how the repubs and demmos voted on the whole "throw the employer in prison" thing...

The democrats seen it would solve the problem and hunkered down to defeat it.

It isn't a problem to them or anyone who wears the democrat suit. More dumb poor people.... more democrat voters thinking the rich will support em.

This could all change.... either party might go against it's core support groups in order to make things better but....

That is highly unliekly and getting more so every year. Nope... you gotta go with the party who's core supporters share more of your values.

for instance...if you are a gun owner... you have little choice but to vote for republicans. If you are gay or union ... you might find that democrats will give you a bigger piece of everyone elses pie.

If you are a union member who believes in the second amendment then you got a problem.

lazs

Stringer · « **Reply #54 on:** April 14, 2006, 04:51:48 PM »

You're right Lazs.....doing nothing at all is the answer.....

I vote issues, not labels........You seem to prefer labels....you seem more intelligent than that...

and to me, I begin my politics at the local level, as that affects my life much more directly than the national level.

And at my local level, you don't have to wear a helmet.......

Toad · « **Reply #55 on:** April 14, 2006, 05:20:31 PM »

One things for shure, dudes. Re-electing the same old incumbents isn't going to change anything.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #56 on:** April 14, 2006, 05:27:26 PM »

Quite true. Although it is getting to the point (for me anyways) where I cannot tell them apart. They all seem to do the same things, year in and year out, regardless of thier names.

Toad · « **Reply #57 on:** April 14, 2006, 05:30:37 PM »

That's why we gotta throw the change-up.

Stick enough Libertarians or other third party candidates in the House and Senate to be the "swing vote" between the two established lazy axe parties.

I can't guarantee it'd be better but it'd be different. Right now, I don't see anything else to try (that would be legal).

Skuzzy · « **Reply #58 on:** April 14, 2006, 05:33:36 PM »

We need a "Let's change America" campaign. One that is run by people, not politicians to push this forward.

Guess I should get the pencil, paper, and stamps back out. I am not convinced it will help, but I am getting tired of the status quo.

lazs2 · « **Reply #59 on:** April 14, 2006, 07:36:53 PM »

stringer... never once claimed to be bright but I do have normal observation powers.

You try to tell me that both democrats and republicans don't have a platform and an agenda to vote the way the money tells em to.

You vote for democrats and you get all their baggage.... you vote republican and you get all their baggage.

It is just that the democrat baggage is so much more repugnant that even if they have one or two ideas I may think are decent.... I can't allow them to sell me down the river on everything else.

You try to tell me that you can't predict how democrats or republicans (as a group) will vote on something? I thought you were more observant than that.

they vote allmost entirely along party lines and it is more predictable than old faithful.

voteing for an independant is what the weak party of the two allways trys to get the mushheads to do.

They are playing us like a fiddle and we just ask for more....

We keep asking them to "do something" when we should be telling them to shut up and quit meddling.

no.... I do not like republicans.... if they are a shoe in to win I will vote libertarian... But I won't take a chance that another democrat will get in.

lazs