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« Reply #75 on: April 25, 2006, 08:28:53 AM »
Bush Orders Probe Into Gas Price Cheating

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WASHINGTON -
President Bush, under pressure to do something about gasoline prices that are expected to stay high through the summer, has ordered an investigation into possible cheating in the markets.

During the last few days, Bush asked his Energy and Justice departments to open inquiries into whether the price of gasoline has been illegally manipulated, said White House press secretary Scott McClellan. Bush planned to announce the action Tuesday during a speech in Washington.

It's unclear what impact, if any, Bush's investigation would have on prices that are near $3 a gallon. Asked if Bush had any reason to suspect market manipulation, McClellan responded, "Well, gas prices are high right now, and that's why you want to make sure there's not."

Republicans who control Congress have become concerned that the high cost of filling up could become a problem for them in the November elections. Polls suggest that voters favor Democrats over Republicans on the issue, and Bush gets low marks for handling gasoline prices.

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Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., and Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., urged Bush in a letter Monday to order a federal investigation into any gasoline price gouging or market speculation.

"There is no silver bullet," Frist said Tuesday on ABC's "Good Morning America," but "we need to make sure that any efforts at price-gouging be addressed and addressed aggressively." Meanwhile, Frist said, consumers should take steps to conserve gasoline — drive at slower speeds, tune up car engines for maximum efficiency and carpool.

McClellan said Bush had already ordered investigations into market pricing.

"We share a commitment with congressional leaders to make sure that we're acting to ensure that there is no price gouging," McClellan said.

Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid of Nevada dispatched his own letter, calling for a multi-pronged approach to restrain gas prices. Among the steps were swift enactment of anti-price gouging legislation, an appeal to oil companies to refrain from further price increases, use of more alternative fuels and increased attention to existing fuel-saving laws and regulations.

Bush also planned to announce that his attorney general and Federal Trade Commission will send a letter to all 50 state attorneys general, who have primary authority over price gouging, to remind them to stay on top of the issue and offer federal help to do so. And he planned to call on energy companies to reinvest their profits into expanding refining capacity, developing new technologies and researching alternative energy sources, McClellan said.

"I think you'll hear the president say very clearly that he will not tolerate price gouging," McClellan said.

Bush has said consistently that gas prices are high because global demand is rising faster than global supply and that the problem cannot be solved overnight. McClellan said Bush planned to talk about how experts predict the price will increase this summer and how the switch to a summer fuel mix is contributing to the problem.

Bush's actions are part of a four-part plan to address gas prices in the short- and long-term, McClellan said. The steps are:

_Making sure consumers and taxpayers are treated fairly.

_Promoting greater fuel efficiency.

_Boosting gasoline supply at home.

_Aggressive long-term investment in alternative fuels.

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« Reply #76 on: April 25, 2006, 08:31:48 AM »
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beet.... no matter what... we will be better off than you  
But Lazs, aren't you forgetting something? I may indeed be paying $6 per gallon - twice as much as the owners of those 9mpg pickup trucks, but I'm getting ~4 times the mileage. And notice something else - I'm not the one who initiates these gas price whine threads. You don't see me wallowing in self-pity about the price of fuel. Until very recently, Britain was self sufficient in oil. America isn't, and never can be. And even if America sucked up the entire production of Canada and Mexico, they'd still be around 10 million bbl/day light. Reading through these threads, it's the people on the other side of the pond who seem to be suffering most with high gas prices which, as Nashwan has pointed out, are directly linked to the price of crude oil. And at 9mpg city, (11 hwy) is it any wonder?
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Truth is, oil is a sellers market at the moment, and whilst the American government would be able to control the price for American oil, that makes up a lot less than half of what you use. The other countries you're buying from would want what they could get, and would be happy to sell to the Chinese or Europeans or Japanese rather than the US, if they offered more.-Nashwan
Absolutely spot on - you beat me to it! Why would OPEC sell to America at $60/bbl when they can sell to China at $75/bbl? The other thing to note here is that many OPEC countries, particularly the ones in the Gulf (no, not the Gulf of Mexico :lol), are not terribly sympathetic to American interests. Indeed, the reverse is true in a number of cases.

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« Reply #77 on: April 25, 2006, 08:41:08 AM »
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my point is that socialism and taxes that make your fuel twice as expensive as ours will allways mean that you will be twice as bad off.


That's not really true. Most of the tax on petrol in Britain is a fixed price, called fuel duty. It doesn't rise with the cost of fuel.

For example, our petrol price has risen from 73p a litre in March 2002 to 96p  a litre now. US prices have gone from 34c a litre in March 2002 to 77c a litre now.

Whilst your price has just about doubled over the period, ours has risen by just over 30%.

Because Americans use so much more fuel, there will come a point when Americans are actually spending more per capita on motor fuel than Britons are (if it hasn't come already)

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« Reply #78 on: April 25, 2006, 08:59:37 AM »
beet and nashwan.... you are driving a car we don't want.... when we are forced to drive such cars (if we ever are) you will be forced to drive something even worse.... you will be driving a real toy that get's 80mpg... or.... some solution will be found..

nashwan is correct that "most" of the tax is fixed... fixed for today that is... and.... some is not.  I will grant that as price goes up that there will probly be some adjustment..... our tax may even go down as is being suggested.

Thing is.... both of you need to ride in my Chevy powered Healey... you wouldn't care how much the gas cost.... I guarentee it.   I have a car that gets 24 mpg... it sits most of the time.... I have a bike that gets allmost 60 so what?   I drive the 12 mpg el camino because it is a blast to drive.

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« Reply #79 on: April 25, 2006, 09:40:20 AM »
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beet and nashwan.... you are driving a car we don't want.... when we are forced to drive such cars (if we ever are) you will be forced to drive something even worse.... you will be driving a real toy that get's 80mpg... or.... some solution will be found..
Not sure what your point is here, Lazs. Who is "we"? Like I said in the other gas price whine thread, America's best selling passenger cars are the Toyota Camry, Honda Accord and Honda Civic. Those cars are all available here, so it would seem that the gap between what Americans drive and what the rest of the world drives is closing.

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« Reply #80 on: April 25, 2006, 10:50:12 AM »
Lotsa folks buy a car based on their commute. Hence, the blossoming '**** can car market'. Big whup.

What the English fail to grasp is a lot of us have more than one car in our households... and it ain't a commute ****box. We're a big assed country, with a lotta distance between here and there. Disposable income often went into 'going places'. They also fail to grasp that the 'middle class', long our biggest yet most 'quiet' group of citizens is becoming restive.. under pressure with rising medical costs, property taxes, outsourcing....

Now, a gas price rape in progress....

There will be a price for that come election day.

The 'going places' bit is being hit right now with the gas pricing. A boom economy and stock market for the rich ****s has turned into a burden on the average guy and his family. Everything is costing more.. wages are stagnant or going down. Guess what? A lotta 4x4's and RV's will get parked this summer. Tourism will drop. The lines will be shorter at the amusement parks.

Folks will stay home this summer, BBQ's will be all the rage. Sooner or later, alternative fuel sources will be found, gas prices will stabilize. The RV's and 4x4's will roll again.

And England will still have a Queen, and the english will still be driving nothing but the refined **** boxes developed by the american demand for a cheap commute car... I note the english, despite their insane taxes and exorbiant fuel costs have yet to come up with a better alternative than **** boxes of thier own after all these years... so much for the socialist development program.

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« Reply #81 on: April 25, 2006, 11:03:11 AM »
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Lotsa folks buy a car based on their commute. Hence, the blossoming '**** can car market'. Big whup.

What the English fail to grasp is a lot of us have more than one car in our households... and it ain't a commute ****box. We're a big assed country, with a lotta distance between here and there. Disposable income often went into 'going places'. They also fail to grasp that the 'middle class', long our biggest yet most 'quiet' group of citizens is becoming restive.. under pressure with rising medical costs, property taxes, outsourcing....

Now, a gas price rape in progress....

There will be a price for that come election day.

The 'going places' bit is being hit right now with the gas pricing. A boom economy and stock market for the rich ****s has turned into a burden on the average guy and his family. Everything is costing more.. wages are stagnant or going down. Guess what? A lotta 4x4's and RV's will get parked this summer. Tourism will drop. The lines will be shorter at the amusement parks.

Folks will stay home this summer, BBQ's will be all the rage. Sooner or later, alternative fuel sources will be found, gas prices will stabilize. The RV's and 4x4's will roll again.

And England will still have a Queen, and the english will still be driving nothing but the refined **** boxes developed by the american demand for a cheap commute car... I note the english, despite their insane taxes and exorbiant fuel costs have yet to come up with a better alternative than **** boxes of thier own after all these years... so much for the socialist development program.

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Fortunately Hang, your vaunted middle class will be gone in the next 20 years.  We'll be back to serfs & nobility, the way God intended.

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« Reply #82 on: April 25, 2006, 11:22:59 AM »
Item: It's not 'my vaunted' middle class... I didn't invent it.  It's America's middle class... and I'm an American and based on income; I'm in the middle class. 'Vaunted', as you use it Urchin sounds like a slam.. you a commie or something?

 And, in 20 years I'll be dead.. and then I won't be in the middle class any more.
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« Reply #83 on: April 25, 2006, 12:31:02 PM »
Who cares about motorgas.. there's plenty of potential alternative fuels and energy sources.  Like it was already said, when enough people get behind it, it'll happen, it's just a matter of time.

The only thing I think most people will miss is, maybe, the noise and vibration of internal combustion like today's powerplants; but definitely any shortages of downstream stuff like lubricants, rubber, plastics, etc.
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« Reply #84 on: April 25, 2006, 12:42:54 PM »
Oil Sands...  Cost to produce 1 bbl of crude: $10 to 20

Coal to liquid... CTP 1 bbl of crude: $40 - 45

Oil Shale...CTP 1 bbl of crude: $55 - 70
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« Reply #85 on: April 25, 2006, 01:36:48 PM »
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What the English fail to grasp is a lot of us have more than one car in our households...  
Talking about me? There were four of us in my family when I started driving - my parents and older brother were the other three. When I got my first car (a pisspot Triumph Herald - lol) we became a four car family. Where do you get this idea that there's typically only one car per family in Britain? In most families, both the husband and the wife work, and they each have a car. It's been that way for many years. Not sure what this has to do with the price of gas, but let's move on...
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We're a big assed country
No kidding! I see lots of big tulips every time I visit.
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with a lotta distance between here and there.
Contrary to what you might think, that has little bearing on the average vehicle mileage which, in the US is about 12,000. Britain's average is now considered to be 10,000 down from 12,000 when there was only one car per household, 40-50 years ago.
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Now, a gas price rape in progress.... There will be a price for that come election day.
I would be very wary of any rash promises to cut the price of gas. The only way that's going to happen is if all tax on gasoline is removed (unlikely) or if George Bush can win public opinion to wage another war with an oil producing country to steal their oil (even more unlikely).
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I note the english, despite their insane taxes and exorbiant fuel costs have yet to come up with a better alternative than **** boxes of thier own after all these years...
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« Reply #86 on: April 25, 2006, 01:44:50 PM »
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Oil Sands...  Cost to produce 1 bbl of crude: $10 to 20

Coal to liquid... CTP 1 bbl of crude: $40 - 45

Oil Shale...CTP 1 bbl of crude: $55 - 70


And your point is what???

We are well aware that fossile fuel is becoming a thing of the past much as "whale Oil" for lighting lamps.

America as Yamamoto put it over 60 years ago "is a sleeping giant" this latest attack on us by "big oil" is nothing more than another "Pearl Harbor" and we will reel for abit and THEN respond with solutions to the problem.

America's middle class will NOT go away quietly and Hang's post only echo's the feelings of many in this country.

As for what we spend on over seas aid I would bet it is in the 10's of billions without doing some research, but cut it off and all you that so eagarly jump on to the "bash america" band wagon might go home crying.

I like Hangtime am too old to worry too much about it all now since my life is nearly over I too suspect that in 20 years I will not be here, but America will be.
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« Reply #87 on: April 25, 2006, 01:54:01 PM »
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And your point is what???


That the cost to produce oil from these three sources is now beginning to be profitable.

The sands of Alberta have the equivalent of Saudi Arabia (maybe 2 or 3), there is more oil in the shale of the US Rockies than all the oil that has been produced worldwide since the oil age began, and the coal reserves of the US can yield several more SA's.

I seriously doubt that a quart of Pennzoil will go the way to whale oil anytime soon.
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« Reply #88 on: April 25, 2006, 02:21:04 PM »
All that commotion for a non issue, then?
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« Reply #89 on: April 25, 2006, 02:27:45 PM »
yep... moot and holden and a few others get it.... the doom and gloom is silly.  We will get with it and some alternative will be found and/or the henceforth too expensive petroleum sources will become viable and prices will stabalize..

beet... even the cars that you are talking about are now at 2 tons... a honda weighs as much as a 55 chevy did...  America isn't settling for less..... you are just still playing catch up... America is full of SUV's and pickups... our best selling vehicles are really trucks.   Those "best selling" cars couldn't sell at all unless they had 200 hp or more and weighed upwards to 2 tons.... not exactly little minis or smart cars...  they are luxo mobiles.

What does this all mean?  it simply means that this will all blow over and the America envy groups will go back to being quiet for few more decades till the next "looming crisis" gives them hope for Americas possible downfall.

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