Author Topic: F4u-u1/1d/1c/u4 (Read 4273 times)

Saxman · « **Reply #90 on:** May 06, 2006, 09:27:06 PM »

I'm always surprised by just how subtle my sense of humor is. ;-)

SirLoin · « **Reply #91 on:** May 06, 2006, 09:33:36 PM »

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Originally posted by Widewing

A lot of guys are learning the hard way that simply turning as tight as possible no longer works as it did before.

My regards,

Widewing

It's the same ..You just have to learn to back off the stall buffet in a tight turn.

F4u's are different now though...it has lost some of that full flap lift boost.

Glasses · « **Reply #92 on:** May 06, 2006, 10:07:22 PM »

Bring more Hogfires to AH

TequilaChaser · « **Reply #93 on:** May 06, 2006, 11:42:46 PM »

ok, I am lost now

AH has:
F4U-1 ( wing Tanks )

no F4U-1A ( wing tanks or no wing tanks? doesn't matter AH does not have this plane )

F4U-1C & F4U-1D ( no wing tanks )

if I am wrong correct me please.........if that F4U-1C has wing tanks, I ben flying AH for 5+ years and never knew it, geez

Saxman · « **Reply #94 on:** May 07, 2006, 12:14:14 AM »

Some 1As had the wing tanks, some didn't. IIRC, Early 1As had the wing tanks, which were removed for the mid-range of the run, then the later 1As put them back in.

Widewing · « **Reply #95 on:** May 07, 2006, 01:32:33 AM »

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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
ok, I am lost now

AH has:
F4U-1 ( wing Tanks )

no F4U-1A ( wing tanks or no wing tanks? doesn't matter AH does not have this plane )

F4U-1C & F4U-1D ( no wing tanks )

if I am wrong correct me please.........if that F4U-1C has wing tanks, I ben flying AH for 5+ years and never knew it, geez

All F4U-1C aircraft manufactured by Vought were simply conversions of standard F4U-1A aircraft. They had the standard F4U-1A fuel system.

In Aces High, they elected to model the Chog with the F4U-1D fuel system, which I believe is incorrect. F4U-1Cs had the same internal fuel capacity as the F4U-1 and F4U-1A. To have that, they had wing tanks.

The 200 converted aircraft were converted from F4U-1As near the end of that model's production run, so they had the same engines (R2800-8W) as did early F4U-1D aircraft.

What some people find confusing is that F4U-1A, F4U-1C and F4U-1D BuNo's were intermingled.

Early F4U-1Cs were painted in the standard 3 color method that most F4U-1As were delivered in.

My regards,

Widewing

Simaril · « **Reply #96 on:** May 07, 2006, 09:19:23 AM »

Wide,
Werent the BuNo's intermingled because the limiting step in the manufacture was the availability of the regunned wing assemblies? As I remember, the Hispano laden wings were built by an off site subcontractor. The BuNo's were intermingled, but when a series of F$U-1C's were built in WAS done in a series of 10 or more, which would fit with the subassemblies arriving at that time.

I had thought that the fuel system on a given C-Hog always depended on the fuselage and wing root, to the fuselage side of the wingfold (which I think was the location of the wing tanks.)

So I'd thought our F4u-1C simply represented a bird taken from the line for the cannon wing during the F4U-1D production run. That would make its specifics more of a game design selection, than an incorrect modelling.

Widewing · « **Reply #97 on:** May 07, 2006, 10:49:21 AM »

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Originally posted by Simaril
I had thought that the fuel system on a given C-Hog always depended on the fuselage and wing root, to the fuselage side of the wingfold (which I think was the location of the wing tanks.)

Integral wing tanks were in the leading edge of the outer wings. These frequently dripped fuel at the panel seams and were sometimes taped like the panels surrounding the main fuselage tank. See images below.

My regards,

Widewing

Saxman · « **Reply #98 on:** May 07, 2006, 02:47:56 PM »

I love that tricolor scheme.

TequilaChaser · « **Reply #99 on:** May 07, 2006, 09:32:51 PM »

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Originally posted by Widewing
All F4U-1C aircraft manufactured by Vought were simply conversions of standard F4U-1A aircraft. They had the standard F4U-1A fuel system.

In Aces High, they elected to model the Chog with the F4U-1D fuel system, which I believe is incorrect. F4U-1Cs had the same internal fuel capacity as the F4U-1 and F4U-1A. To have that, they had wing tanks.

thx, WW I was just refering to AH, where as the original question states what is the difference in REAL F4Us...I overlooked that in the beginning when I posted....my bad....

Saxman · « **Reply #100 on:** May 07, 2006, 11:04:53 PM »

Something I've been wondering...

The F4U-1D and F4U-4 both only have the fuselage tank. Does the -4 have a smaller fuel load than the 1D, or does she just suck down gas that much faster? Because it seems to me that the D-Hog goes a good bit further on internal fuel.

F4UDOA · « **Reply #101 on:** May 08, 2006, 03:48:26 PM »

Saxman,

The F4U-1D has a 237 gallon tank and the F4U-4 has a 234 gallon tank.

The F4U-4 fuel consumption at Mil power was very high, about 300 gallons per minute hence the very short duration of flight at high power in AH. The F4U-1D at mil power only uses about 240 GPH.

F4UDOA · « **Reply #102 on:** May 08, 2006, 03:56:12 PM »

FYI,

The deletion of the wing tanks had largely to do with two things.

1. They leaked like crazy and were very hard to maintain.
2. The type of tank being installed was very expensive and took allot of work to repair. Different types were tried but keeping the tank from dislodging in flight and leaking was just too troublesome.

Having said that the Fleet was not happy when the tanks were deleted because the addition of drop tanks degraded performance much more so than full internal tanks. I read that in a dispatch buried in the archives in old carbon paper. I am probably the only person to read that document in 60 years.

Vought actually tested F4U's with wing tanks full of ADI so the combat power could be used indefinitely. Don't know why they didn't use it in production.

Flaps · « **Reply #103 on:** May 09, 2006, 09:11:21 AM »

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Originally posted by F4UDOA
Saxman,

The F4U-1D has a 237 gallon tank and the F4U-4 has a 234 gallon tank.

The F4U-4 fuel consumption at Mil power was very high, about 300 gallons per minute hence the very short duration of flight at high power in AH. The F4U-1D at mil power only uses about 240 GPH.

300 gals/min? Thats the one with the afterburners, right?

SirLoin · « **Reply #104 on:** May 10, 2006, 08:01:41 PM »

It seems to me torque is modeled way more on take-offs/landings than anything else.