Author Topic: P-51D Mustang (Read 2348 times)

Wasara · « **on:** May 13, 2006, 10:20:32 AM »

I know that I'm talking about one of the icons of airwarfare WWII.Seems that my tactics with this beauty is totally wrong.Even with boom&zoom I can't get any scores.I know it has powerful R&R Merlin but all the same I have not progressed with it in H2H.

Any advices?

toon · « **Reply #1 on:** May 13, 2006, 11:25:26 AM »

yes,contact one of the trainers.they are an incredible resource and they are always happy to help.you can either e-mail them and set up an appointment or just show up in the T.A. ~~brick31~~

toon · « **Reply #2 on:** May 13, 2006, 11:27:02 AM »

also, there are some finns in the game and they are GOOD. if you can get hold ogf one of them you'd be golden.

GunnerCAF · « **Reply #3 on:** May 13, 2006, 11:31:36 AM »

The P51 was an icon of the war. It's strengths are long range, high altitude, it's relatively fast, it turns well, good ammo load, can carry a good bomb load. It may not be the best at anything, but it is good at just about everything. In the MA, most the fights are low and you don't have to travel far for a fight. There are other planes that are much better for the fights in the MA.

The P51 is a fun plane to fly. Make sure you have time to gain some altitude (10K+). The plane does not have good guns for B&Z (no cannons). Try energy fighting. Energy fighting is is not B&Z. Your shots should be tracking shots from your enemys rear. You need to keep your fire on one point for a few seconds to do damage. Keep your speed high, don't turn tight with your enemy, break off and do a low energy (low G) turn and engage again.

If you get slow, use one notch of flaps and turn fight. If your enemy has no friends around, our you have a good wingman, you may get a kill and exit the area without being killed

Gunner

Panzzer · « **Reply #4 on:** May 13, 2006, 05:49:03 PM »

Hello, Wasara!

If everything goes as planned, you should soon see a "Finnish Squads" forum in here (at the bottom of this board). And welcome to AH.

DamnedRen · « **Reply #5 on:** May 14, 2006, 11:42:36 AM »

Great plane~! Does everythng well. Has a few vices as flws:

A little slow to accelerate.
The .50 cal's a somewhat neutered in AH2 so you need to unload prior to shooting then hold the trigger for a full second for the kill.

Other than that is does just about everything you could possible want from a plane.

Great ceiling
Great range
Great maneuverability
Great speed once you get her going
Excellent handling at just about all speeds

Hope this helps.

GunnerCAF · « **Reply #6 on:** May 14, 2006, 12:03:05 PM »

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Originally posted by DamnedRen
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The .50 cal's a somewhat neutered in AH2 so you need to unload prior to shooting then hold the trigger for a full second for the kill.

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Ren,

What do you mean by "unload prior to shooting"?

Thanks,

Gunner

Murdr · « **Reply #7 on:** May 14, 2006, 12:12:12 PM »

Unload G's. Set up the shot so that you are pulling as little G forces as possible when you pull the trigger.

DamnedRen · « **Reply #8 on:** May 14, 2006, 12:51:20 PM »

As Murdr followed up, anytime you pull any G's you are "loading up". When you do your bullets continually change impact point. If you "unload"all stick pressure, the majority of rounds will impact into a small area.
It's very easy to see how it works. Just get a little low and point yer nose at the water. Roll a little and pull and fire. You will see the rounds spread out as they follow the nose around. Now dive at the water and let go of the stick but just hold the trigger for a second and watch the rounds impact in approximately the same spot. Note: if you see rounds impacting in a spread it's probably the convergence you have your guns set at. As you close the distance to your convergence setting you'll see the unloaded rounds hit the same spot. There is a reason that gunsights had all kinds of little lines or circle imposed on them. One is you could set an average wing span in the gunsight circle to match the width of an average fighter plane at a given distance (guns convergence). When the guy fit inside of your circle he was in range for a solid shot. We have it easier as we can see the range to the target. German Aces used to "fill their windscreen" with the enemy plane and then they considered that was close enough. A simple dot (pipper) on a gunsight was not the prefered sight.

Unloading is not only used for shooting but it releases pressure to the control surfaces. Anytime you pull, push, roll or yaw you impart some drag on the plane and effect it's airspeed. Even in a dive. If you are unloaded the plane will speed up a little faster than if you're input stick pressure to the control surfaces. If you are in a fight and decide it's time to bug for whatever reason if you can get the other into a hard break and as he pulls, you unload you will accelerate away from him.

Back to unloaded shots. The secret to the unloaded shot is you first go for a saddle up. Don't be thinking about the quick, snap shot. Think about a good saddle up. When you get there and own the fight then fly into the unloaded shot and take it. Most folks put everything into a snap shot and sometimes it works. Sometimes not. If you saddle up and own the guy you will get an unloaded shot.

Hope this helps

GunnerCAF · « **Reply #9 on:** May 14, 2006, 04:30:15 PM »

Murdr, Ren, Thanks!

Ren, great stuff on unloading.

Gunner

Wasara · « **Reply #10 on:** May 15, 2006, 01:47:33 AM »

Thanks Coba,Gunner,Panzzer,Ren and Murdr for the great stuff!

I must digest that gunnery thing for a while.

I will check "Finnish Squads" also.

TexMurphy · « **Reply #11 on:** May 15, 2006, 05:55:11 AM »

Hey Wasara and welcome to AH.

As said BnZ isnt really the ultimate style for the Pony due to the lack of cannons. That said the Pony is still a good BnZer if you get your gunnery down and can land extended bursts on your target.

But what I like in Ponies is to fly a mix of energy fighting and BnZ. Basicly I start out with a few BnZ passes inorder to read how my target reacts to my passes. Once I see his defensive pattern I put the preasure on him. I make my passes more and more frequent till it turns into more of a energy fight then a BnZ style attack.

Basicly I make sure he cant work his energy back after my pass. I slowly drain his E while constantly managing my own. My own E will drop as well since I make more frequent passes, key thing is to use the vertical more then he does. As long as that is done my E will always be higher then his.

Eventually I will get a good lead shot or deflection shot on him.

Another thing Ponies are really good at is "towing enemies out of the fight". Personally I hate crowded fights. I like it much better when I can work my enemy alone.

In the pony you can get someones attention and then slowly separate him. Important thing is to not make the enemy think your fleeing. Because if he thinks your fleeing he wount follow.

If your starting out with a BnZ attack you can make sure to "push" him out of the fight area by always making your attacks so that you are between him and the big fight. This will force him to extend away from the fight.

If your starting out co-alt then you can always drag him out and as soon as he starts loosing interest you attack. Then drag him out a bit further. Rince and repeat till you are away from the fight.

Now you can go into a full feathered E fight with him without caring about the other enemies.

Finally I do prefer the B pony over the D pony. Sure it has less guns and lacks a few mph in the top speed but it manouvers much better imho and is a more versile fighter.

Tex

Wasara · « **Reply #12 on:** May 18, 2006, 07:48:05 AM »

Thanks and thanks for the response,Tex!It seems I must try that B-version too.

HeLLcAt · « **Reply #13 on:** May 19, 2006, 03:12:55 PM »

I used to train back in the day, I still got it and would love to help if you'd like. Drop me an email, lmpbzktsk82004@hotmail.com. Thank you.

Wasara · « **Reply #14 on:** May 22, 2006, 10:27:49 AM »

Hello Hellcat!

How this training goes?In Main Arena?