Tanks in the birthplace of Christ

[mrfish]

Originally posted by Red Ant:
Wow, people really showing their true colors here <points finger at MrFish>. I've lived in the U.S. for 22 years and this is the first case of BLATANT, CLEAR-CUT Anti-Semitism that i've personally witnessed. Well, had to happen sometime, i guess  

oh wah....right on cue - good boy, here's your cracker reward, tool.  

yeah let's get back to bashing 'ragheads' and 'diaperheads' and 'wickheads' right you blind fool? haven't heard any good 'gook', 'chink', 'slant' or 'wong way' jokes since the conversations on china died down. that doesnt seem to bother anyone does it? hypocrits.

12 pills per day is the right dosage eh hang? is that the extra pissed off dosage? your opinion is one of the few i'd ever listen to even though we dont always see eye to eye- so i'll shut up.  

two good eyes and we still don't see...i hope the middle east does soon for everyone's sake...

i get a little heated when i think of the wool job israel has been pulling on the west and how people bumble along cheering for them though many over there consider you and your sister and your wife and your mother and your father and your kids 'unclean' and inferior.

i also get a little heated when i hear businessmen laughing and bagging on a 'shiksa' in the elevator when they think i dont understand them. they don't realize i have worked side by side with jewish people almost exclusively for over a decade in the advertising and finance industry and now studying science, and have learned all the insults and opinions of us 'dirty goy' that the masses don't get to share. this 'shaygetz' isn't deaf!

that, and countless other lovely moments can make a guy too sensitive i guess. moreso than i'd like to be honestly. i suppose you'd have to live where i live to understand what i mean.

i can't say anything more about this - i don't have anything good to say about it or the players involved. you believe what you want, i know what's happening and don't give a damn if any of you ever do.  this is the sep 11th affair for most of you, i have been yelling and sounding the alarm for years.

i did my part trying to let people know the real deal in the middle east but you will believe what you're told anyway. i want a peaceful world and have had enough of everyone thinkeing they are 'better' or 'clean' or 'chosen' whoever they are! i don't like being looked down at anymore than a anyone else would.

if the jews in israel think that then i'll have contempt for them no matter what you call me! when they start thinking of themselves as human and down here with the rest of us we can be brothers that very moment.

i just hope everyone gets whats coming to them whatever it may be good or bad. but that would be just, fair and as such unprecedented so i doubt it.

good luck people.

[ 10-23-2001: Message edited by: mrfish ]

[Hangtime]

12 pills per day is the right dosage eh hang? is that the extra pissed off dosage?  

Yup. With double JD/rocks chaser, and a fat ganja spliff. I never post here without it.  

Fishy at least 2 of us here know yer no 'racist' and the thought of you as a 'religionist' is ludicrious... don't let the comments from the peanut gallery bug yah. You know who you are, so does you wife; and thats the only opinion that counts.

...and, boy did this thread ever go to hell, enh??

[skernsk]

Let me know when you finish this argument fellas....it;s only 2000 years old.

In the meantime I'll go and get a beer or three.

[Hangtime]

"Big light in sky, still slated to appear in east...."

[Buzzbait]

S! all

I read the report in Canada's premier newspaper:  The Globe and Mail.  It was also reported in The Guardian and London Times, two of Britain's most respected papers.  Here is the online report from the Guardian, the only of the three to include the report in its online section:
 http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,578222,00.html


Perhaps the story was not published in the States.  But in any case, whether you choose to believe it or not, the Israelis are killing a lot of innocent civilians and bringing war right to the doorstep of some holy places.

[Buzzbait]

S!

It's too bad I can't show you the article in the Globe and Mail which was much more detailed and reported by a Globe correspondent on the scene in Bethlehem.  He interviewed the mother of the boy killed who was 16, not 19 as mentioned in the Guardian article.  He also interviewed Franciscan monks from the Church.

Anyone Canadian who is interested can find the article in Tuesday's Globe and Mail in the News section.

[Hangtime]

Saw some footage on it on the BBC World News tonight... tragic.. thanks for the heads up Buzz. Nope; not reported as far as I know on US networks.

[Buzzbait]

S!

By the way:

I fully support the Allied action in Afghanistan.

At the same time, the Israelis are basically causing the fragile coalition which Bush and Tony Blair have created, to be in danger of collapsing as a result their actions in the West Bank.

There needs to be a settlement of the Middle East question or no one in this world is going to be safe.  The U.S. has got to lay down the law to both Israel and the Palestinians.

Otherwise the bloodbath which is occurring the present Holy land is going to engulf the world.

[Red Ant]

Hehe I actually agree with you regarding the "holier than thou" thing. I don't blindly support any policy that Israel puts forth. To tell you the truth, most Israelis that I've met in person have been arrogant SOBs. I DO, however, support Israel's right to exist, as well as their right to defend themselves against those who don't think they have the right to exist.

As for your froth-at-the-mouth comments above, well - thanks for proving my point. Had you said "innocent people" I might have ignored it, but you said "Innocent Christians". So before you start talking equality & brotherhood - clean your own house. I grew up in the bad old USSR where anti-semitism was a daily fact of life, and I can smell one a mile away, even over the Internet. Thanks for proving my point, Mr. "I know a few words in Yiddish".

One more thing. Have you ever BEEN to the Middle East? If you havent spent a significant amount of time "on the scene", may I respectfully suggest that you STFU. 1/2 the people I hung out with during my YEARS in the Middle East were Arabs (I happen to love the Oud, and love to play Arabic music with those guys). I also missed a certain public Jerusalem bus by about 6 minutes, which is why i'm talking to you right now and am not a bunch of dead cells rotting in the ground - the very bus I missed was a suicide bomber target, 26 people dead   If you approve of that kind of thing - perhaps you should go live in Jerusalem for a while.

In fact, this goes for all of the armchair policy makers - before you hold forth on the Middle East, go check it out - you might learn something, if you live.

[Tumor]

Originally posted by Red Ant:
Hehe I actually agree with you regarding the "holier than thou" thing. I don't blindly support any policy that Israel puts forth. To tell you the truth, most Israelis that I've met in person have been arrogant SOBs. I DO, however, support Israel's right to exist, as well as their right to defend themselves against those who don't think they have the right to exist.

As for your froth-at-the-mouth comments above, well - thanks for proving my point. Had you said "innocent people" I might have ignored it, but you said "Innocent Christians". So before you start talking equality & brotherhood - clean your own house. I grew up in the bad old USSR where anti-semitism was a daily fact of life, and I can smell one a mile away, even over the Internet. Thanks for proving my point, Mr. "I know a few words in Yiddish".

One more thing. Have you ever BEEN to the Middle East? If you havent spent a significant amount of time "on the scene", may I respectfully suggest that you STFU. 1/2 the people I hung out with during my YEARS in the Middle East were Arabs (I happen to love the Oud, and love to play Arabic music with those guys). I also missed a certain public Jerusalem bus by about 6 minutes, which is why i'm talking to you right now and am not a bunch of dead cells rotting in the ground - the very bus I missed was a suicide bomber target, 26 people dead   If you approve of that kind of thing - perhaps you should go live in Jerusalem for a while.

In fact, this goes for all of the armchair policy makers - before you hold forth on the Middle East, go check it out - you might learn something, if you live.

....Ant, what part of the comparison between "Alter boys / Monks" and "Innocent Christians" made your nostrils swell and sniff out this so called racist bigot?? lol

Tumor

[Red Ant]

Well, I didnt see MrFish frothing at the mouth at last week's assasination of an Israeli Minister, did I? Nor do I see a "Tanks in <insert A area here>" posts with such vehement hate flying around.

I shouldnt be surprised, really. Bethlehem has always aroused passions that result in calls for someone's blood. The truth is, I think moving into Bethlehem was a STUPID thing for Israel to do - they should know better by now. That doesnt make the ourtage I saw in this thread any less "selective".

I did call MrFish an anti-semite. This would probably be the ONLY time i've earnestly accused/insulted anyone in the WB/AH community in the 6 years that I've been playing. I stand by what I said.

[Red Ant]

from The Guardian:

"The focus of much of the activity was Bethlehem, which is located just a few miles south of Jerusalem and whose outlying areas have been a source of gunfire and shelling on the Jewish neighbourhood of Gilo in the disputed section of the city."

So they actually had a REASON to move into Bethlehem! How presumtious of them - it was only gunfire & shelling. Maybe they should have asked for more <g>

"At the Vatican today, Pope John Paul II expressed sorrow over the killing of a 19-year-old Palestinian yesterday near the Church of the Nativity, apparently by a stray machine gun bullet fired from a distance."

Hmmm, I thought it was a heartless Yid sniper targeting boys in monk's habits,  doing his part for the Zionist Conspiracy  

From Buzzbait:

"A 16 year old altar boy and bell ringer for the Church of the Nativity, was shot down and killed on the steps of the church by Israeli Snipers. The Franciscan Monks at the Church are under fire and bullets have been coming through the windows and hitting the inside of the church. "

One of these things is not like the other <g>

[easymo]

Alter boys are a notoriously vicious, and deadly adversary.  Of course the Israelis had to devote the resources of an entire sniper team to taking him out.

 Where do you people come from? (shakes head.)

[Buzzbait]

S!

I said 'innocent civilians', not 'Christians'.

As far as the altar boy is concerned:

I am sorry you can't see the Globe and Mail article which I mentioned.  You'll have to take my word for it.

The article said the Altar boy was hit by gunfire coming from Israeli positions.

By the way #2

I support the right for Israel to exist as a state.  I also support the right for the Palestinians to have a full state in the West bank.

I think they have to share Jerusalem or have it as some kind of neutral city.  There's just too religious sites for the Jews, Muslims and Christians for any one government to be controlling it.

In my opinion that is the only solution which will bring any kind of permanent peace to the region.

Not to mention that nutbar fanatics like Bin Laden won't have any kind of excuse to point to when they claim justification for their murderous acts.  And they won't have a ready pool of recruits who have been made rabid by the conflict.

[easymo]

Lineing up another one.

 
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[ 10-24-2001: Message edited by: easymo ]