Author Topic: Time to Un-Perk the Hogs? (Read 5204 times)

Hoarach · « **Reply #15 on:** May 18, 2006, 05:16:31 PM »

Flying 38 98% of my time so get lots of perks, and no I am not a toolshedder. I can crash many jets over and over if I wanted to. Only ones that dont get many perks are the ones that need the nik, spit 16, and lgay7, to back up their no skills.

Urchin · « **Reply #16 on:** May 18, 2006, 05:17:37 PM »

Unperk everything.

bozon · « **Reply #17 on:** May 18, 2006, 05:29:42 PM »

Perk everything

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #18 on:** May 18, 2006, 05:44:17 PM »

Perk the Val - it am be the uberest turner.

Kweassa · « **Reply #19 on:** May 18, 2006, 06:25:27 PM »

Soon.... very soon.. you will all join my army of the New Perk Agenda...

HA HA HA HA...

Except the New Perk Agenda was brought up really a long time ago... so now it's actually an old perk agenda that will replace our current perk agenda, becoming a new perk agenda for our current perk agenda which is actually an old perk agenda compared to my current old perk agenda which was suggested as a new perk agenda.

Bruno · « **Reply #20 on:** May 18, 2006, 06:56:08 PM »

It doesn't really matter at this point. If the perk system was more dynamic in that as newer variants come available those late or rare variants were perked then both the -4 and Chog should stay perked. Since HTC has abandoned, or at the very least allowed the current perk system to stagnate, then just unperk them.

Back when the Chog was getting near 20% of the kills in the arena there were far fewer planes choices. Now with the greater number of choices I don't think it would get near 20% again. However, it would be used way more then it is now with the light perk value.

While the -4 is an outstanding fighter very few 'outstanding' pilots would fly it. The -4 will be just another fast suicide jabo similar to the P-51. Very few will fight in it. They will load up with bombs, climb to 20k and rush at a field as fast as they can, dive in, then drop their bombs and either auger or runway 10 sectors before turning around to repeat.

The only 3 planes that could really unbalance the arena are the 262, the Tempest and the 163 (less so since its limited to certain bases). The rest of the perk planes should be unperked. While a couple of them are really decent fighters they will mostly get used by 'tards.

Perk points are so easy to accumulate that it doesn't really matter much except to those who think 'perk points' have some real value. These are the folks that get upset about perk values and losing perks points in the first place. What's a Chog perked 8? I could spend a whole tour auguring Chogs and still have plenty of points for the next tour.

Urchin when did you come back to AH, this tour..? Don't you have like 2000 perk points already?

Urchin · « **Reply #21 on:** May 18, 2006, 07:02:18 PM »

Nah, I came back last tour. But yea, I've got a little bit more than 2000 perks right now.

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #22 on:** May 18, 2006, 08:09:33 PM »

As bad as the HO fetish and porkage is now, perk-free C-Hogs would make it insufferable. The 4-Hog ... that's another story ... the lack of cannons will keep most of the MA players from bothering with it, save for Jabo work.

Widewing · « **Reply #23 on:** May 18, 2006, 08:19:49 PM »

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Oh! About the -4; do you really think it was the best prop aircraft of the war? Heck, the Spit 16 out accelerates it and holds E better (in fact the F4U-4 is only 9th in sea-level acceleration), and tons of planes have it way out-gunned. I'll have to look, but the LA7 (down on the deck) and K-4 (up above 7500' MSL) both out-run it (as do both Ponies, the Dora; lots of un-perked rides do), and the P-47N will deliver more ordinance from farther out. Dozens of planes out-turn it at speed, including the LA-7 and Spit XVI...and the other Corsairs in the stable. Even full-flaps turning doesn't put it in the top dozen (according to Kweassa's data).

It's certainly a 'good' plane, but it's not 'godly' by any stretch of the imagination.

The F4U-4 is the best all around fighter in the plane set... If it had hizookas, it would be second only to the 262 in perk price.

There's much to what a makes a great fighter. The F4U-4 can reach 446 mph at 25k, about 370 on the deck. It's sustained climb rate is in the top 10 or better. Acceleration ranks it among the fastest, considerably better acceleration than the Spit16 from 250 mph on up. Great roll rate, best rudder of any fighter. Its "wonder flaps" and power loading can screw a Spit16 into the ground. Almost nothing but the very best turn fighters can beat the -4 in a stall fight and those turn fighters will need a damn good pilot as the average guy will surely die.

If you can't beat virtually anything you encounter.... It's not the plane's fault. Co-E, Co-alt merge with a Tempest, the Tempest driver better go for the HO... He probably won't see the F4U-4 in his windscreen again.

Oh, one last thing. Turning at speed is limited by G loading on the pilot. Below corner velocity the F4U-4 can begin getting out flaps and REALLY tighten its turn. With full flaps it's as close to a helicopter as anything in the game. Super tight turn radius and the ability to break out of a lufberry and climb like crazy. Flown by a pilot who knows how to exploit it, the F4U-4 is as bad as bad gets.

My regards,

Widewing

killnu · « **Reply #24 on:** May 18, 2006, 08:45:15 PM »

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As bad as the HO fetish and porkage is now, perk-free C-Hogs would make it insufferable.

unlike the niki and typhy now? they perk free, HO alot(as does hurri2c) and i know typhy is used to pork a ton now. why they so different? besides hurri2c

both have 4 cannons, both have some advantage or another to the chog and both do what everyone fears will happen if chog is unperked.

understand, i could care less one way or other. The argument I am seeing though to keep it perked dont hold much water. imho

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #25 on:** May 18, 2006, 09:18:46 PM »

All that ammo, Killnu ... all that ammo.

killnu · « **Reply #26 on:** May 18, 2006, 09:52:49 PM »

niki and typhy have plenty of ammo. not as much, sure, but they do have thier advantages as well.

Bruno · « **Reply #27 on:** May 18, 2006, 10:54:49 PM »

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As bad as the HO fetish and porkage is now, perk-free C-Hogs would make it insufferable.

That's all the Chog was used for when it got nearly 20% of the kills in the main. It Ho'ed, vulched and base raped. How else do you think they got nearly 20% of the kills in the main? 1 v 1 dogfights? The only reason the Chog ended up perked is because Pyro couldn't lower the eny value any lower unless it hit 0.

Nothing about the current main is any different then it was 3 years ago in terms of who ho's who or who porks/rapes what. Now there are more plane choices and the Chog is perked so low now even one legged, blind, albino, midget, welfare mom's can afford one. You don't see them running wild in the main. Its the most used perk plane and its usage will go up if free but the main can't get any worse then it has been in the past.

Bruno · « **Reply #28 on:** May 18, 2006, 10:55:48 PM »

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niki and typhy have plenty of ammo

The Niki has 2cm Type 99 MK IIs and they are no where near as lethal as hizookas.

Warspawn · « **Reply #29 on:** May 18, 2006, 11:15:50 PM »

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The Niki has 2cm Type 99 MK IIs and they are no where near as lethal as hizookas.

But you use land lots more hits with them because it's much easier to get the guns to bear on a target (with your average stick). /shrug You can have lethal-lasers-of-doom and they'll still do you no good unless you hit something with 'em.

One other reason I'd love to see the Chog unperki-fied is because of the relative lack of gun choices for American iron. .50's seem SO anemic here; I often find myself unloading before a nice shot (so G's aren't affecting my bullet pattern) and still getting the kill stolen by a Cannon-jockey who just plinked at my target. P-38's mount a single 2cm gun with the 1/2-inchers, but that series and the single Corsair C-hog are the only ones afaik that have a cannon option (and the implied effectiveness vs. GV's and buffs too...).