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« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2006, 02:58:15 PM »
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Where exactly were my civil rights violated?
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« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2006, 04:03:57 PM »
i demand to have my rights restored, as soon as i find out which ones i have lost.

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« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2006, 04:12:06 PM »
They will do what they want to do and there is nothing anyone can do about it.  No point in even talking about it.  Caring about will do not good.  Not caring about it will do no good.  Nothing we can say or do will do not good.

Call it apathy, call it pessimism, call it the truth.  It will not change a thing.  We are at the mercy of the political system we have created.  The checks and balances do not exist which would allow any chance of correcting the situation.

So get all worked up about it.  Yell and scream at others.  Jump up and down and throw a hissy fit.  In the end, it will not change a thing.  Nothing will.
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« Reply #18 on: May 19, 2006, 04:17:07 PM »
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So you think there is something wrong with people who want to hear both sides of a story rather than the liberal side the MSM gives?


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The great MSM conspiracy theory was invented by bloggers that wanted people to think their opinion was the only one that mattered. ;)

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« Reply #19 on: May 19, 2006, 04:32:10 PM »
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They will do what they want to do and there is nothing anyone can do about it.  No point in even talking about it.  Caring about will do not good.  Not caring about it will do no good.  Nothing we can say or do will do not good.

Call it apathy, call it pessimism, call it the truth.  It will not change a thing.  We are at the mercy of the political system we have created.  The checks and balances do not exist which would allow any chance of correcting the situation.

So get all worked up about it.  Yell and scream at others.  Jump up and down and throw a hissy fit.  In the end, it will not change a thing.  Nothing will.


Just bend on over and let 'em have at yer sphincter, enh?

No point in struggling, might just as well get to likeing it, enh?
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« Reply #20 on: May 19, 2006, 04:37:31 PM »
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 In the end, it will not change a thing.  Nothing will.


If you are correct, then

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whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.


The irony is that we'd probably just return to the original Constitution and Bill of Rights with most of the Amendments thereto. Of course, we'd have to clarify the 2nd so that even the dolts understand that "the people" is.... duh... the people, us.

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« Reply #21 on: May 19, 2006, 04:41:51 PM »
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They will do what they want to do and there is nothing anyone can do about it.  No point in even talking about it.  Caring about will do not good.  Not caring about it will do no good.  Nothing we can say or do will do not good.

Call it apathy, call it pessimism, call it the truth.  It will not change a thing.  We are at the mercy of the political system we have created.  The checks and balances do not exist which would allow any chance of correcting the situation.

So get all worked up about it.  Yell and scream at others.  Jump up and down and throw a hissy fit.  In the end, it will not change a thing.  Nothing will.


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« Reply #22 on: May 19, 2006, 04:42:53 PM »
Toad, Hangtime, I am just saying you will not get the people of this country to band together and do anything about the situation.  It ain't gonna happen.  Think about it.

Nice words on a piece of paper are not going to make anything change.  Politicians have no respect for the people of this country.

Yep, might as well bend over, because we do not have any other choice.


EDIT:  Hehe MT.  Yeah, I know I sound full of doom and gloom, but prove to me there is an alternative.  I do not see one.  All the talking and letter writting in the world will not do any good.  I have wasted more time, ink, pencil lead, writing letter after letter.  It does no good.
I dare say, most of you who think we can do something about it have never tried to get something changed on the political level.
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« Reply #23 on: May 19, 2006, 04:43:47 PM »
Interesting that polls show a majority of American people would prefer to have their phones monitored rather than let terrorists operate and continue to commit acts of mass murder inside the USA.

Go figure.
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« Reply #24 on: May 19, 2006, 04:51:06 PM »
Amen.


..and coming from an agnostic, that 'amen' means I'll not stand by and watch the struggle as an observer. Nor will I go quietly into the night when the time comes.

I'm gettin to be an old man.. made some mistakes. Be a good thing I think, to square the tally, finally make a difference.

I await the call.
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« Reply #25 on: May 19, 2006, 04:57:43 PM »
The call has been SOUNDED!
If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!

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« Reply #26 on: May 19, 2006, 05:01:38 PM »
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Interesting that polls show a majority of American people would prefer to have their phones monitored rather than let terrorists operate and continue to commit acts of mass murder inside the USA.

Go figure.


oh that's just dismal.  see what happens when civics isnt' taught anymore.

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« Reply #27 on: May 19, 2006, 05:06:26 PM »
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Be a good thing I think, to square the tally, finally make a difference.
I await the call.


Patrick Henry, March 23, 1775.

No man thinks more highly than I do of the patriotism, as well as abilities, of the very worthy gentlemen who have just addressed the House. But different men often see the same subject in different lights; and, therefore, I hope it will not be thought disrespectful to those gentlemen if, entertaining as I do opinions of a character very opposite to theirs, I shall speak forth my sentiments freely and without reserve. This is no time for ceremony. The questing before the House is one of awful moment to this country. For my own part, I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery; and in proportion to the magnitude of the subject ought to be the freedom of the debate. It is only in this way that we can hope to arrive at truth, and fulfill the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country. Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offense, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty toward the Majesty of Heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings.

Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it.

I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided, and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there has been in the conduct of the British ministry for the last ten years to justify those hopes with which gentlemen have been pleased to solace themselves and the House. Is it that insidious smile with which our petition has been lately received? Trust it not, sir; it will prove a snare to your feet. Suffer not yourselves to be betrayed with a kiss. Ask yourselves how this gracious reception of our petition comports with those warlike preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled that force must be called in to win back our love? Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation; the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motive for it? Has Great Britain any enemy, in this quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies? No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us: they can be meant for no other. They are sent over to bind and rivet upon us those chains which the British ministry have been so long forging. And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer upon the subject? Nothing. We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain. Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves. Sir, we have done everything that could be done to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament. Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne! In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free-- if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending--if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained--we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of hosts is all that is left us!

They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable _ and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come.

It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace _ but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

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« Reply #28 on: May 19, 2006, 06:04:11 PM »
You mean it isn't anymore? :confused:

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« Reply #29 on: May 19, 2006, 06:09:06 PM »
I can see it now,     ".......The great revolution of 2006 was actually sparked by a bunch of Flight Sim Junkies on a Texas company BBS...."