National Security Agency vs The Bill of Rights

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Dago
Interesting that polls show a majority of American people would prefer to have their phones monitored rather than let terrorists operate and continue to commit acts of mass murder inside the USA.

Go figure.

I think the majority of Americans would quite calmly and quietly walk right into a police state if they thought it was safer.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by john9001
i demand to have my rights restored, as soon as i find out which ones i have lost.

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I did not speak out;
I was not a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.
-Martin Niemöller

[ASTAC]

Originally posted by Sandman
I think the majority of Americans would quite calmly and quietly walk right into a police state if they thought it was safer.

We stopped walking already..we are there..mostly.

Look at the govenrment real close...just about every right we have is circumvented in one way or another.

[AWMac]

Free America!

For Years I have said this. We have a two party corrupt Goverment.

The Rich get Richer, The poor get poorer..American standards get tossed aside.  No more Prayers in schools, no Pledge of Alligence, No more Nativity displays... The Ten Commandments are forbidden near a Courthouse.


Traveling this pace we will crumble...

What has Congress done for you lately?, Your Congressman? Your Senator?, Your Governor?, Your  Mayor?  Sit and collect $$$ without represitation?  

Do you know where your tax dollars go?  Why all the taxes?  I shop and buy stuff and there's a State tax, yet at the end of the year I have to file State Taxes and pay more.

Congress Men don't have to pay Postal on a letter... yet I have to pay...And these are People living in a 6 figure life. Don't you think that they could afford a 32 cent stamp?

Wake up Americans and Take Back what was rightfully given to you!  Those that died in Service to protect the Rights you have.  Are you willing to lose them to a Corrupt Goverment?  The two party political system is no more than voting for the lesser of the two evils.  George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, FDR must be spinning in their grave for what has became of this Country.

Things to think about.


Mac

[Yeager]

I think the majority of Americans would quite calmly and quietly walk right into a police state if they thought it was safer.
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your the pied piper?  I could easily see liberals getting herded up and headed off to the farm but the guys with the guns, the right wing nutjobs...those 2nd amendment fools will be just fine.

Thanks for worrying about us

[Arlo]

Not if they blow up another fed building they won't. Speaking of which, they may be as responsible for any loss of civil liberty in this nation as anyone else.

[Dago]

Originally posted by Yeager
I think the majority of Americans would quite calmly and quietly walk right into a police state if they thought it was safer.
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your the pied piper?  I could easily see liberals getting herded up and headed off to the farm but the guys with the guns, the right wing nutjobs...those 2nd amendment fools will be just fine.

Thanks for worrying about us

Hehehe, well said.

[Hangtime]

Originally posted by Yeager

your the pied piper?  I could easily see liberals getting herded up and headed off to the farm but the guys with the guns, the right wing nutjobs...those 2nd amendment fools will be just fine.

Thanks for worrying about us

Who's gonna lead 'em? Sedition is against the law. Can't lead from a jail cell. Who yah gonna shoot? Murder is Murder.

*sigh* As long as soccer moms can get gas and day trader dads can buy cold beer and watch nascar on sunday, the rights of free men are of no consequence. there will no doubt be individual acts of resistance when they stop by to collect your 'stuff'.. but resisting arrest and killing a federal officer is still murder.

*heavy sigh*

Not if they blow up another fed building they won't. Speaking of which, they may be as responsible for any loss of civil liberty in this nation as anyone else.

Recently, I've come to doubt the federal version of those events.. but not the results. And i wonder if the relationship between the two is the opposite of what most suppose it to be.

[Shuckins]

So NOW you guys are concerned about the burgeoning power of the Federal Government!?

How can you complain about the NSA using super-computers to search for threatening patterns in cell-phone traffic, with a straight face, after the years of supporting the growth of the federal government's intrusive powers when it suited your purpose?

It never bothered you before when the courts creatively interpreted the Constitution in new and imaginative ways...to grant rights to some and deny them to others.

The Patriot Act and the powers being employed by the NSA are mild compared to the draconian measures employed by Abraham Lincoln and Franklin Roosevelt during their administrations.

There has never been a war in American history when the federal government didn't impose limits on individual freedoms in the name of national security...and subsequently give them back when the crisis was over.  Then, as now, there were those who whined about the restrictions...despite the danger facing the nation.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Yeager
I think the majority of Americans would quite calmly and quietly walk right into a police state if they thought it was safer.
====
your the pied piper?  I could easily see liberals getting herded up and headed off to the farm but the guys with the guns, the right wing nutjobs...those 2nd amendment fools will be just fine.

Thanks for worrying about us

Let's see how well the 2nd Amendment protects you from unwarranted surveillance.

[Hangtime]

Again... where's the fleets? the million man army? the will of a nation and it's leaders as one, bent to the task at hand? i don't see gas price caps, rationing, black outs and war bonds. I don't see the governments of hostile terror supporting nations trembling at the thought of an american army marching up their capitols streets... and we're 5 years into the 'war on terror and the nations that support it'.

i see 50 billion flushed down a rat hole, lives of our kids tossed in afterwards and talking heads. i see ports still unsecure, borders crossed by 3 million since the 'war' started and then.. more talking heads selling our rights down the hole.. for what? WHAT security? SHOW me... Osama is where  ??

it's a phoney forever war. a war of 'bs' and 'talking points' and 'pc' patriot speak that colors the theft of american rights with a red white and blue handled brush spreading pure horsemanure; 24/7

[Shuckins]

Since when does the government need a warrant to monitor calls that originate overseas, or to trace calls being made in the U.S.?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only instances where a warrant would be necessary are those in which the feds actually monitored the conversation itself.

The NSA computer system is only tracking the patterns of the cell-phone calls, not the conversations themselves.  Your "privacy" is only in danger of being violated it the government taps into the conversation itself.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Shuckins

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only instances where a warrant would be necessary are those in which the feds actually monitored the conversation itself.

Your phone records are private too.

[Shuckins]

Roughly a billion cell-phone calls a day...and the feds have to get a warrant to monitor each and every one of them.

So, faced with such an immense and complicated task, the feds now have to worry about the legal stumbling blocks placed in their paths by those who insist that government security regulations are a greater threat to the nation than the designs of the terrorists.

How many bombings have you had in your home state in the last four years?  How many airplane hi-jackings?  Any buildings been the target of suicide attacks?  Deadly gases released?  Nuclear blasts leveled any of your citiies?

Of course not.  And there is a very good reason why none of those things have come to happen:  the federal government has taken off the gloves, rolled up its sleeves, and tackled the job of protecting the nation.

[Hangtime]

Originally posted by Shuckins
Since when does the government need a warrant to monitor calls that originate overseas, or to trace calls being made in the U.S.?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only instances where a warrant would be necessary are those in which the feds actually monitored the conversation itself.

The NSA computer system is only tracking the patterns of the cell-phone calls, not the conversations themselves.  Your "privacy" is only in danger of being violated it the government taps into the conversation itself.

Horsepucky.

It's ok that they know and duly note, recorded for prosterity and the highest corporate bidder that I call the Hooters Hotline 4 times a week...... and my rights have not been violated because they didn't 'listen in'???

Worse, during the course of the coverstaion i happen to mention that her jubblies are 'the bomb'. Keyword, detected. recorder, ON.

Whups.. looks like one of Osamas 4th cousins calls the same number 4 times a week cause he likes titties too. Now, we're all labeled commie terrorist tittie bombers, they open a file.... dump the data..

This is making my nation safer? For who?

This is not a violation of my right to privacy?

Is this even the third planet anymore.... let alone america?