Author Topic: OK enough is enough FIX IT (Read 3006 times)

Murdr · « **Reply #30 on:** May 21, 2006, 02:53:10 PM »

P-38J turn radius
Kweassa's 2.06 test with 75% fuel:
514 Feet

MOSQ's 2.07 test with 25% fuel:
598 Feet

The new thrust/drag model has changed all planes to some degree. The F4U and bf109 benifited from it. The P-38 on the other hand took a hit from it. It does fly different. Sorry but I disagree AKAK that it flies the same as before. It does not ride the edge of the evelope like it did under the previous model. It does not have the stability that it once had. This effect will be most noticed by those who commonly fly it on the raged edge at slow speed. As you indicated, your own style is not that way.

Still as of the time of this posting, I have 71 Kills and 6 Deaths in the P38J for the tour. So I also don't buy that the plane is in any way unflyable, or the issue itself a game braker. Im sure they have more than just one issue to address with the next patch, and it will be released when its ready. No amount of complaining will speed up the process.

Blixen · « **Reply #31 on:** May 21, 2006, 03:35:46 PM »

ack ack it does fly different but how do u know about flaps at 30k
bnzing afk planes:rolleyes:

P.S. i also notice the drag bug in other 38`s aswell

but like murdr says even though slow speeds are severly hampered
its not totally unflyable till next patch ...in 2 weeks i guess

Slash27 · « **Reply #32 on:** May 21, 2006, 08:34:22 PM »

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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
With the exception of the bug that increases the drag with full flaps, the P-38 flies like it did before the patch.

ack-ack

Nope.

BBQ_Bob · « **Reply #33 on:** May 21, 2006, 11:10:34 PM »

See Rule #7

Guppy35 · « **Reply #34 on:** May 22, 2006, 12:10:44 AM »

I won't claim any knowledge of how the real one flew or how this one should fly.

Here's how it's affected this 38G driver. Where I used to get down and dirty on the deck in the furballs in my 38G, I've now gone to the Spit VIII. It's no longer survivable down on the deck like it used to be.

Maybe that's the way it should be, I'll never be able to say since I've never flown a real one. But for this wannabe pretend P38G pilot, the change has taken a lot of the fun out of flying that bird. It's now B & Z to survive in it, which isn't what I enjoy.

I'll live with it, if this is the way it's going to stay but do wish it would drift back towards that bird that could get down and dirty with the Spits and LAs.

If nothing else when it could, it put a lot more 38 pilots in the air. Sad to see so many of us drifting into other birds just to compete.

Just a quick check on the scores from tour 73 vs 74 and 38J kills as an example show about 2000 less 38J kills vs each country. Folks are flying the 38 that much less I'm sure.

Just out of curiousity I checked the 109G14 and that one is up about 1500 kills a country too. So the flaps change surely made a positive difference for the LW guys who weren't happy about their rides. I'm happy for them, but understand the disappointment of the 38 drivers as well.

scot12b · « **Reply #35 on:** May 22, 2006, 05:46:33 AM »

See Rule #7

Pawz · « **Reply #36 on:** May 22, 2006, 03:58:22 PM »

This is crazy can someone tell me where the rules are?

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #37 on:** May 22, 2006, 04:02:18 PM »

At the top of each forum, under the heading of announcements.

Blooz · « **Reply #38 on:** May 22, 2006, 04:02:42 PM »

The forum rules are in the sticky post at the top of each forum.

SkyRock · « **Reply #39 on:** May 22, 2006, 04:05:40 PM »

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Originally posted by Pawz
This is crazy can someone tell me where the rules are?

The rule is that ack ack made a statement that could have only been made by someone who hasnt flown the 38 since the last patch. lmao

scot12b · « **Reply #40 on:** May 22, 2006, 04:20:15 PM »

Ok fly the 51D why? Just fix the 38. I no if the Pony,Spit,Niki or the La7 had a bug it would be fixet in no time why because the BB would have so many post about it. HTC no`s about this Bug I can undestand they are busy but it has been long a nuff for a fix to come out. I love them game and plane I dont mind flying other planes but at the same time if the planes I have noted had a bug you can bet thir would be mass WAWAWA:noid

Krusty · « **Reply #41 on:** May 22, 2006, 04:39:40 PM »

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Originally posted by Guppy35
Just out of curiousity I checked the 109G14 and that one is up about 1500 kills a country too. So the flaps change surely made a positive difference for the LW guys who weren't happy about their rides.

Just as an addition to this comment, the problem with LW planes was not the flaps (although, some have argued for different flap speeds, but that's another issue). The problem with a LOT of aircraft was the instability (flaps up OR down) where the thing was balanced on a needle and any thought/breath/fart/sweat-drop made you flip 180 wing over wing.

The code that was changed was not just flap code, it was ALL code that computed how the air flowed over a wing/surface. Haven't you noticed that when you lose a vertical stab you have a little more stability (you don't instantly cartwheel across the sky like you used to)? That's because all the air flow (even across the fuselage) for all aircraft has been recomputed, and for the better.

These flap bugs are another issue, and one I hope is resolved, but the airflow code is wonderful on most of the aircraft I've experienced it with. I fly a lot of different aircraft, too.

Just wanted to point that out.

viper215 · « **Reply #42 on:** May 22, 2006, 06:29:41 PM »

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skuzzy pwned:D

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #43 on:** May 22, 2006, 06:43:11 PM »

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Originally posted by SkyRock
The rule is that ack ack made a statement that could have only been made by someone who hasnt flown the 38 since the last patch. lmao

And whoever said that is wrong. Go to the 479th film library, just sent Murdr of a deck fight with a Spitfire XVI made after the patch introduced the bug with full flaps deployed.

ack-ack

Guppy35 · « **Reply #44 on:** May 22, 2006, 07:33:34 PM »

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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
And whoever said that is wrong. Go to the 479th film library, just sent Murdr of a deck fight with a Spitfire XVI made after the patch introduced the bug with full flaps deployed.

ack-ack

What kind of speed range AKAK? As long as the speed stays up the 38 is fine. What it lost is the slow speed handling it had down low. I'm only speaking of the 38G cause that's all I fly in the 38s. I used to be able to hang with the Spits down low and slow. Now there is no chance, which of course has driven me into Spits again to fight those fights.

I guess what it basically comes down to is that to fly the 38, at least for me, it has to be a speed and alt game now without the low and slow. Not nearly as fun