Originally posted by lasersailor184
Wrong. Painfully wrong.
Fascism is a political faction that lies on neither side of the political spectrum. Fascism can be simply defined as a drive for more power, through any means.
It's quite obvious that you don't know what you're talking about. You can screech about a worthless theoretical model if you like, but history proves you wrong.
All three European manifestations of fascism, that is the Hitler regime, the Mussolini regime and the Franco regime were all underpinned by conservative elements; that is to say by large business interests, by the military establishment and by social conservative and nationalist movements. Any evidence of a "socialist" element to these movements is only skin deep and is betrayed by events themselves, for example in the Night of the Long Knives where most left-wing Nazi elements were purged, or in Franco's marginalization of Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera's Phalange by its absorption into the Movimiento Nacional. If these movements were left wing in nature, then why did they expend considerable energy on purging liberal, social democrat, socialist and communist elements within their respective host societies to the extent of carrying out mass killings equal in nature if not in quantity to those levelled against european jewry? Where are the corresponding attacks against conservative interests?
The preconception is YOU thinking that Fascism is extreme right wingedness.
Not a preconception at all but a conclusion based on the facts, namely that facist movements historically drew their most effective support from conservative elements and attempted to realize extreme right-nationalist agendas.
It is another misconception to assume that anyone who is intelligent is a liberal. It is a ploy by you to try to justify yourself as a liberal, and to try to guilt other people into doing it.
Actually, you're doing a good enough of job of proving a semi-humourous point I made without any further input on my part. "To guilt"? What kind of mangled language is that?
"You only find it baffling because reality differs from your preconceptions." I find it baffling how many jews refuse to acknowledge history. If you say anything bad about the holocaust, and you are immediately crucified. If you say anything similar to the events and happenings that lead up to it and no one bats an eye.
Come again? You think that many jews don't acknowledge the holocaust? Or are you equating the traditional adherence of american jews to the political centre-left with holocaust denial? You might want to think about that one again.
Originally posted by Edbert1
The term "Nazi" is a nickname for the "National Socialist" party. Two of their main tenants were government run schools and gun control. So you have a political party based upon socialism that wants to run the schools and confiscate the guns.
Leave it to the AH-BBS-OC to think those positions equal conservatism, must be a product of the government schools.
You're making the mistake that just becuase an organization calls itself "socialist" that it is really left wing in nature, in much the same way that many now defunct communist regimes described themselves as "Democratic" but were nothing of the sort. Social education and gun control are not an exclusive characteristic of left wing societies. Socialism is primarily concerned with state control of the means of production; that is to say of industry, of banking, of agriculture etc. You should note that in the three fascist societies that I describe above all of these factors remained solidly in private ownership.
