Author Topic: same mentality as 60 years, again now in il2? (Read 2883 times)

Zigrat · « **on:** August 25, 2001, 05:38:00 PM »

its funny

i used to wonder how people could ever place so much blind faith in something and just close their minds from that point.

i was over at the simhq message board and i saw that some guys over there, who most likely are at least semi intelligent, place complete and absoluet faith in maddox games. this guy posted good evidence that the roll rates are wrong (i havent played the game yet but if teh p39 really rolls more than 180 dps thats pretty insane) and the cheerleaders jump all over him.. way worse than even the cheerleaders here!

then oleg comes and says that the me109 rolls faster than the fw190! rofl! and those guys back him up on blind faith.

it was almost reminding me of to obviously a non evil and much lesser extent of how people followed hitler and didnt care what he was actually doing.. just blind faith without using their own brains.

plz i am not saying he is like hitler in any way or anything like that, just commenting on peoples ability to stop thinking critically for themselves and become a sheep in the flock.

jihad · « **Reply #1 on:** August 25, 2001, 05:52:00 PM »

Heh, it's because the NACA reports are an evil imperialist plot.

Oh yeah, make sure you check out the rudder authority on a barely moving P-39.

[ 08-25-2001: Message edited by: jihad ]

leonid · « **Reply #2 on:** August 25, 2001, 06:11:00 PM »

I find it typical that so many westerners have never even heard of TsAGI or NII VVS, yet seem to place so much importance on NACA. My money's on Russian data.

Karnak · « **Reply #3 on:** August 25, 2001, 06:11:00 PM »

Yep.

I made the third post in that thread. I saw a post from RAM as well. But most were attacking the guy ruthlessly.

R4M · « **Reply #4 on:** August 25, 2001, 06:19:00 PM »

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Originally posted by leonid:
I find it typical that so many westerners have never even heard of TsAGI or NII VVS, yet seem to place so much importance on NACA. My money's on Russian data.

A 109G14 rolling faster than a Fw190A? and you believe that???

I really hoped for a realistic game. I see now we will get a joke with good graphics

I'm glad I didnt download it....what a waste it would've been.

Zigrat · « **Reply #5 on:** August 25, 2001, 06:19:00 PM »

leonid if the russian data says the 109 has lighter controls than the 190, you believe it?

you're too smart to be a member of the herd, friend.

Cabby44 · « **Reply #6 on:** August 25, 2001, 07:02:00 PM »

Of course Leonid is correct. After all, the Russians invented the Bf-109, didn't they??

Staga · « **Reply #7 on:** August 25, 2001, 09:36:00 PM »

You need to remember english is not Oleg's first language.
Quote from that topic in SimHQ:

"The Roll rate of Bf-109G-2, G-6 and G-14 is HIGHER THE ANY OF FW-190s G-10 and K-4 had amost the same roll rate like FW-190A-5 with only root guns. That is COMMON MYTH in the West."

Looks like he meant 190 have better rollrate than 109s. Could be wise to read whole story and draw conclusions after that...

[ 08-25-2001: Message edited by: Staga ]

-ammo- · « **Reply #8 on:** August 25, 2001, 09:47:00 PM »

Whast the URL for the BBS over there?

Staga · « **Reply #9 on:** August 25, 2001, 10:00:00 PM »

http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/Forum35/HTML/001213.html

Karnak · « **Reply #10 on:** August 25, 2001, 10:02:00 PM »

-ammo-,

Here is the url for the SimHQ Il2 BB:

http://www.simhq.com/cgi-bin/boards/cgi-bin/Ultimate.cgi

[ 08-25-2001: Message edited by: Karnak ]

R4M · « **Reply #11 on:** August 26, 2001, 08:16:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Staga:
You need to remember english is not Oleg's first language.
Quote from that topic in SimHQ:

"The Roll rate of Bf-109G-2, G-6 and G-14 is HIGHER THE ANY OF FW-190s G-10 and K-4 had amost the same roll rate like FW-190A-5 with only root guns. That is COMMON MYTH in the West"

Looks like he meant 190 have better rollrate than 109s. Could be wise to read whole story and draw conclusions after that...

Staga, I think that he is saying just the opposite. I have NEVER heard anyone saying that the 109 was a better roller than the 190. The "common myth" would be,then, us thinking that the 190 rolled better than the 109.

Also Oleg said this:

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Maneuverability of FW-190s was far from 109 in many terms (not in all of course)...

Wich only confirms what I say above. He is saying that the 109 was more maneouverable than the 190.

I really was hoping for Il2

not anymore, it seems

[ 08-26-2001: Message edited by: R4M ]

Sandman · « **Reply #12 on:** August 26, 2001, 08:26:00 AM »

I rather like Oleg's stance. He takes the same position that HTC does. You think it's wrong? Prove it.

airspro · « **Reply #13 on:** August 26, 2001, 08:49:00 AM »

I downloaded the demo ,

Looks to me ( but wtf do I know right ? ) thats it's a updated EAW with > trims , eyecandy and advanced game controler options .

That said if any liked EAW then they should like this one .

I found taking off in the P39 kinda way to hard

lol , crashed alot .

My fps in 1024/768 32 bit , wasn't that good but maybe I missed a check box or something ?

933 P3 , 384pc600 RAM , Radeon 64MB DDR

I think HT spoiled me , or I should not have downloaded the demo yet , as it wasn't at the offical site .

Zigrat , you got it guy . They have to sell me now . I just don't buy whatever they make anymore .

I passed up B17 .

Staga · « **Reply #14 on:** August 26, 2001, 09:33:00 AM »

RAM I don't know what Oleg meant in that sentence but for me it looks like you see what you wan't to see.

Quote:
"Maneuverability of FW-190s was far from 109 in many terms (not in all of course)..."

-I can read this sentence in two different ways but bottom line is he is right in this one: Even in AH 190 maneuvres different way than 109 = far from 109. Just like Zero's manoeuvrability is far from P-51.

Speculating with this is irrelevant because at least I can't be sure what Oleg meant.