Author Topic: same mentality as 60 years, again now in il2? (Read 2879 times)

Maniac · « **Reply #30 on:** August 28, 2001, 08:05:00 AM »

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i used to wonder how people could ever place so much blind faith in something and just close their minds from that point.

Back to the topic

As leonid said above, you dont have to look far to find this behaviour, its right here...

I myself buried the ICI shrine along time ago, whoever makes the best game/sim gets my money...

Regards.

zapkin · « **Reply #31 on:** August 28, 2001, 08:16:00 AM »

russians have always been known for freedom of information.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #32 on:** August 28, 2001, 08:17:00 AM »

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Originally posted by zapkin:
russians have always been known for freedom of information.

Yes, they have..."Give us information, and you will get your freedom (In Siberia)"

Boroda · « **Reply #33 on:** August 28, 2001, 08:41:00 AM »

Yawn. Same old boring Western propaganda again.

The most interesting thing is that Soviets had completely different opinions on many planes during WWII. Just look at the P-39's results in USAAF and VVS. Also remember what Soviet test-pilots said about Thunderbolts. And about FW-190 in Eastern front.

Looks like Soviet test routins were much different from Western. To judge we need to have complete descriptions of test conditions and timings, like fuel loads etc. I think that Oleg's data are reliable enough.

In Russian forums he said that the demo in based on Beta 01, while the current beta is 04, and it's code is 70% incompatible with demo.

Staga · « **Reply #34 on:** August 28, 2001, 08:47:00 AM »

Heh if game I've been playing now with pleasure is beta01 I wonder what kind of show-stopper final production will be

sling322 · « **Reply #35 on:** August 28, 2001, 09:21:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Tuomio:
Il-2 FM isnt based on tables, like AH is for instance,...

Deez...is that you?!?!

Tuomio · « **Reply #36 on:** August 28, 2001, 11:57:00 AM »

No

Im just very exited about the new possibilities that i have with il-2. You have lots of control over your plane if you want. Like the radiator closing for instance, it gives you very visible speed gain. But no gain without pain..

And no stall horns, only the sweet sings of your favorable plane. You really cant ride on the edge without knowing the limits well. Pull too much at your own risk. Spinning will make you sweat. Overheat? Well, open radiators and ease throttle or else you face consequences. Both more or less gets you killed.

Im really looking forward for quality online games with this, the learning curve will be huge as its in AH too.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #37 on:** August 28, 2001, 12:53:00 PM »

Well, I haven't tried it yet, but I must say I have to have stall horns, because:

A) This is a sim, not real life, I have no other information provided to me that the A/C will stall other than the horn.

B) In RL A/C, you have many things warning you of a stall, shaking of the stick, the aircraft frame, the motion your body makes within the seat. In a sim, you might have a shaking screen, but that will not give you enough info on how far you can push it like real life does. thus, the stall horn is very good with me. Adds about 5 other senses that I lack while flying in real aircraft.

Boroda · « **Reply #38 on:** August 28, 2001, 12:59:00 PM »

IMO stall horn gives you the "feel" of the aircraft that most of the offline sims don't have.

Hristo · « **Reply #39 on:** August 28, 2001, 01:12:00 PM »

Il-2 warns you of a stall coming. Planes stutters and you can hear bumpy wind noise (sorry, my English is poor).

And it is one hell of a sim. You better try it, it might burst some bubbles

Ripsnort · « **Reply #40 on:** August 28, 2001, 01:46:00 PM »

Here's my point:
In AH you can turn it off or turn it on.

In IL2, you don't have choices.

luthier · « **Reply #41 on:** August 28, 2001, 02:01:00 PM »

I'm sorry, but I have direct quotes from three Luftwaffe veterans who served with operational units flying both the Bf-109 (E, F and G), and either served or extensively flown FW-109A4 and A5. All three unanimously agree that Bf-109 outrolled FW-190.

One is a JG7 Leutnant Alfred Ambs. Another veteran's name will be released with the IL-2 manual; he finished the war in a Me-262 with quite a few kills. The third veteran is one the highest scoring Luftwaffe aces of all time.

Staga · « **Reply #42 on:** August 28, 2001, 02:04:00 PM »

Rip you'll be fine without stall-horn in Il-2.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #43 on:** August 28, 2001, 02:34:00 PM »

Rgr that Staga, still cracking up about the 109 outrolling the 190..hehehe!

Possi · « **Reply #44 on:** August 28, 2001, 03:13:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Rgr that Staga, still cracking up about the 109 outrolling the 190..hehehe!

Ripsnort i know,you know it better than real German Bf109 Pilots there fly over 500 Hours in a Bf109 and FW190