Author Topic: Please fix the rampant Ordinance Porking (Read 4116 times)

101ABN · « **Reply #30 on:** June 07, 2006, 02:08:39 PM »

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Originally posted by Edbert1
I am floored by the humor of strategery types who've been flattening the FHs for years now (in the never ending effort to end the never ending war) that complain when their ord gets porked. Either you think denying the other players ability to fly is a good thing or it is not, you cannot seriously support dropping the FHs and then say that ord needs to be protected.

I'll go for the hardening of fuel/ammo/troops if and only if the FHs are hardened by the same percentage.

nobody is complaining about the ord getting porked.. we are talking about making it a real bunker and not a shed. All hangers have been made harder if i recall correctly.

Simaril · « **Reply #31 on:** June 07, 2006, 02:08:42 PM »

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Originally posted by Chalenge
Id rather have rebuild times changed or the number of ammo and troop and fuel bunkers increased. Make the strat porking a team effort rather than the work of a single pilot. In real life werent they hardened and underground? I dont believe cannons or machineguns should hurt them at all.

Hangars are NOT simulated objects, like planes and tanks. Their real life hardness is irrelevant.

Their entire purpose is to serve as ICONS for certain game functions, like the ability to launch a certain plane or to initiate a base capture.

"Damage to destroy" is a variable affecting the tactical, war-fighting part of the game. As such, any adjustment to the hardness changes the way bases change hands, the way attacks are run, and how long maps stay up before resets. Asking for harder ord jsut means "make it easier to bomb," nothing more. Its a partisan request, not one considering the consequences for the entire MA.

Regardless of any flaws in the current system, it clearly works OK. Personally, I'd think it might be better to rebalance the entire system to account for the larger numbers online, than to tweak a single parameter that helps one style of play more than another.

Barring that complete reworking, I think the "armoring" of strat targets, so aircraft ammo doesnt affect much (like is done for tanks) would make sense.....so a singel player doesnt have as much impact on several hiundred others.

Edbert1 · « **Reply #32 on:** June 07, 2006, 02:12:16 PM »

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Originally posted by 101ABN
nobody is complaining about the ord getting porked.. we are talking about making it a real bunker and not a shed. All hangers have been made harder if i recall correctly.

Make it so that no ONE player can drop all of anything at even a small base. No one buff-box has enough ord to drop three FHs then no cannon loaded Mossie can drop the ord and fuel and troops.

I'm fine with that.

lazs2 · « **Reply #33 on:** June 07, 2006, 02:14:48 PM »

This is laughable... the guys who claim that killing the FH and CV and porking every base where a fun fite might erupt Is somehow fair game are now crying us a river about having their toys porked? The guys who say up and defend the FH's?

Ok.... you strat girls... up and defend against those players who would pork your ord... just cap your field and shoot those mean men down....

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

Retired · « **Reply #34 on:** June 07, 2006, 02:23:18 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
This is laughable... the guys who claim that killing the FH and CV and porking every base where a fun fite might erupt Is somehow fair game are now crying us a river about having their toys porked? The guys who say up and defend the FH's?

Ok.... you strat girls... up and defend against those players who would pork your ord... just cap your field and shoot those mean men down....

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

Bronk · « **Reply #35 on:** June 07, 2006, 02:25:36 PM »

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Originally posted by Edbert1
Make it so that no ONE player can drop all of anything at even a small base. No one buff-box has enough ord to drop three FHs then no cannon loaded Mossie can drop the ord and fuel and troops.

I'm fine with that.

So you wan't it to take more than 14,000 lbs of ords to kill 1 FH ?

Bronk

SlapShot · « **Reply #36 on:** June 07, 2006, 02:29:27 PM »

I may get burned for this, but I understand what LePaul is asking for.

If you are a dedicated bomber pilot and ord is down ... there is no option to lift that bird ... that has to suck. Like he said ... there are "tools" flying across a whole front taking out all ord simplistically and I can understand LePauls frustration ... we felt it when these same "tools" were doing it to fuel.

If HT could assign some sort of percentage value to bomb loads like he does to fuel, then I can see that no bomber would be grounded if all ammo bunkers are taken out ... they can only take %25 of the maximum bomb load if all ammo bunkers are destroyed or ... maybe just 2 bombs ... u get the drift.

At least they could get off the ground and help defend against a GV assault ... just not with their usual maximum bomb load.

On the other hand, I have to agree with Edbert ... all those fluffers that feel the need to take out FHs and/or CVs when its not really needed ... they can suck pond water. But ... I believe that they are the minority in the bomber population, so the more dedicated bombers should not have to suffer for the few griefers.

I also agree that the ammo bunkers need a bit more hardening ... as do the FHs and BHs.

Edbert1 · « **Reply #37 on:** June 07, 2006, 02:38:20 PM »

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Originally posted by Bronk
So you wan't it to take more than 14,000 lbs of ords to kill 1 FH ?

I guess...the actual number means nothing...and I said all the FHs not one...

This is not a simulation it is a game. I think that it needs to be made more difficult for any one player to cause frustration or deny the ability to launch a sortie to hundreds of others. We've generally been calling those lone players who riun the fun of large numers of others...wait for it...GREIFERS!

I see no difference between a bomber ruining a furball by killing the FHs and a lone fighter dropping the ord at a base and riuning a mission. So if that means it takes 2,000,000 pounds of ord so be it.

Tarmac · « **Reply #38 on:** June 07, 2006, 02:45:02 PM »

I like that idea, Slapshot. You could either do it by taking away the big loads (for example, lancs couldn't take the 1000 lb load, or a20's wouldn't be able to add the underwing bombs) or by actually limiting the number of bombs... so instead of 14 1k bombs, you might be limited to 10, 7 etc as the ord goes down.

Another possibility may be to have different hardnesses for a fuel/ammo bunker as a fuel/ammo storage pile. For example, instead of having 4 moderately armored fuel/ammo bunkers, you could have 2 very armored ammo bunkers and 2 very soft ammo storage. This would simulate the ord that's ready to go onto a plane vs that which is in deep storage. The stuff lying around would be easy to take out (ie you can still strafe the exposed fuel/ammo trucks to destroy them) and take the base down to 75%, but to knock it down further would require attacking the hard bunkers with a lot of ord.

Lye-El · « **Reply #39 on:** June 07, 2006, 02:54:51 PM »

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Originally posted by SlapShot

If you are a dedicated bomber pilot and ord is down ... there is no option to lift that bird ... that has to suck.

I also agree that the ammo bunkers need a bit more hardening ... as do the FHs and BHs.

VHs also. Can't up an Osti if the VH is down. And the VHs are usually the first to go down. Also the manned ack is too soft. Put some sandbags around it.

Bronk · « **Reply #40 on:** June 07, 2006, 02:55:03 PM »

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Originally posted by Edbert1
I guess...the actual number means nothing...and I said all the FHs not one...

This is not a simulation it is a game. I think that it needs to be made more difficult for any one player to cause frustration or deny the ability to launch a sortie to hundreds of others. We've generally been calling those lone players who riun the fun of large numers of others...wait for it...GREIFERS!

I see no difference between a bomber ruining a furball by killing the FHs and a lone fighter dropping the ord at a base and riuning a mission. So if that means it takes 2,000,000 pounds of ord so be it.

Ed I agree it should be harder for 1 person to ruin it for the many.
But what is the best way to do this. I don't think just hardening will do it.
1.Bring back old calibration.
2. Lower cloud cover.
3. add some wind at alts
4. add no drop if beyond a certain dive angle in non dive bombers. Also no neg g drop of ords for any AC.

This is just off the top of my head.

I want it a little more difficult on both sides of the fun spoiling.

Bronk

JMFJ · « **Reply #41 on:** June 07, 2006, 02:59:38 PM »

I think the amount of ord, fuel, and troops should all be tied to how many of them are up. If there is two sets of barracks on the base and one go's down you can only up 5 troops/4 vehicle supplies/50% field supplies. Likewise with the ord and fuel keep it in ratio with what is available.

Make it so it takes 250lbs more to take them down, and run them in ratio with how many have been destroyed.

Cause right now a single 190D can up w/ord, and wipe out all ord and all barraks in one sortie. If he can survive the ack/defense on a med size field.

Cause I did it the other night, it's kind of lame that one attack fighter can take out that many valued objects by itself in one sortie.

Probably be alot of work, and not the popular vote, but I think it would be cool.

JMFJ

wldmn · « **Reply #42 on:** June 07, 2006, 03:04:38 PM »

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Originally posted by whels
back in the day of old AH when you could pork fule to 25%, it was an easy way for the outnumbered to slow down the horde. now with it limited to 75% it doesnt slow them down at all, and really niether does hittin ammo or troops. cause they can bring multiple goons, and keep cap on the field, since they have atleast 75% fuel.

i say bring back the ability to pork fuel to 25%. also, if HT is gona keep it so that 1 lone fighter can destrat a field, i say reduce the # of player resupplies required to repair the field. 8 is too many, and maybe 1 is too few. so go with like 3.

I VOTE FOR WHELS!!!!
BRING back the 25% fuel!!!! RULE!!!! come on HT given in to the ol' timers here for once please????

Elfie · « **Reply #43 on:** June 07, 2006, 03:05:58 PM »

With one Typhoon loaded with rockets I can kill radar, ords and troops on any sized field. Thats assuming enemy fighters or field guns dont get me first.

Elfie · « **Reply #44 on:** June 07, 2006, 03:10:48 PM »

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Originally posted by wldmn
I VOTE FOR WHELS!!!!
BRING back the 25% fuel!!!! RULE!!!! come on HT given in to the ol' timers here for once please????

Being able to pork the fuel down to 25% was ok until a relatively few people started porking fuel at every frontline and secondline base along their countries fronts. These same folks would keep the fuel at each base on a timer so that they could hit the bases again and again just as fuel came back up effectively keeping those bases fuel permanently porked.