Author Topic: Please fix the rampant Ordinance Porking (Read 4119 times)

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #45 on:** June 07, 2006, 03:18:50 PM »

Is it really so much to expect a Jabo to have a "bo"? Or at least a rocket?

FiLtH · « **Reply #46 on:** June 07, 2006, 03:23:34 PM »

Everything needs hardening. CVs, hangars, strats. A strafing plane by itself should not be able to shut down a bunch of bases.

Airscrew · « **Reply #47 on:** June 07, 2006, 03:28:11 PM »

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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Is it really so much to expect a Jabo to have a "bo"? Or at least a rocket?

oh! can I have a bow on my plane?

I've asked before, add more 37mm to the bases and add 88's. We've also had this discussion before and would be nice to harden the ammo bunkers and hangers. I also agree fuel should be porkable to 25% but then HT may need to reset the fuel burn rate in the MA. 25% fuel is plenty to defend a base but difficult to launch offensive raids. with the current burn rate I think a B-24 can go about 2 sectors out and have enough fuel to get back or 4 sectors for a one-way mission. I also agree that as ammo/troops are reduced by percentages then ordance or troops are still available just smaller loadouts

LePaul · « **Reply #48 on:** June 07, 2006, 04:18:23 PM »

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Originally posted by Elfie
Being able to pork the fuel down to 25% was ok until a relatively few people started porking fuel at every frontline and secondline base along their countries fronts. These same folks would keep the fuel at each base on a timer so that they could hit the bases again and again just as fuel came back up effectively keeping those bases fuel permanently porked.

This is precisely what is happening with ordinance now.

Ordinance takes an extremely long time to come back up. Resupplying requires a great deal. Meanwhile a VH/FH/BH is fully operational in 15 minutes.

And FWIW...Im not saying this as a disgruntled bomber guy....most of my sorties are in the P-38s/P-51s carrying a few eggs in a JABO operation.

As to the comment about simply upping elsewhere...you've missed the point. The *entire* frontline...and then some...has been porked. Due to the ease of doing so.

I'm impressed with the comments. Clearly strat is something worthy of review.

Elfie · « **Reply #49 on:** June 07, 2006, 04:25:08 PM »

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This is precisely what is happening with ordinance now.

I didnt realize ordinance porkage was that bad. Usually the only times I go pork ords is when Ozkansas or Donut maps are up. Then I go pork the ords to stop the bombers from killing our FH's in Fighter Town.

96Delta · « **Reply #50 on:** June 07, 2006, 04:47:45 PM »

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Originally posted by SlapShot
IIf HT could assign some sort of percentage value

This gives me an idea regarding the troops porkage..

Why not make it so you cannot kill ALL troops
at a base. Make it so they can only be reduced to
say 2 or 5 per plane/truck load. That would force
greater cooperation and teamplay while still allowing
a country to engage in the base capture aspect of the
game.

Hmmmm....

David

jaxxo · « **Reply #51 on:** June 07, 2006, 05:53:32 PM »

the ord porking doesnt really bother me as much as the way in which its done..i kid you not i watched 4 ponies pork a whole field and than auger without being at all damaged..i saw them lift again so i upped and followed them for a bounce..they all augered again so i wouldnt shoot them and than went to another base to repeat the whole thing..i played for 30 minutes chasing them around to have them all dump ord and auger before i could engage..just sad

wipass · « **Reply #52 on:** June 07, 2006, 05:59:47 PM »

Ya bunch of cry babies,

If you don't want your ord taken away then put up a high cap, problem solved.

Sheesh, some of you kids need slapping

wipass

hubsonfire · « **Reply #53 on:** June 07, 2006, 06:30:06 PM »

Try to come up with a solution which improves gameplay, without causing more problems. Reason it out, show the pros and cons. Calling a style of gameplay you don't like "a bug" is stupid. Stamping your feet and sobbing your hearts out won't win HT over.

More logic, less crying.

LePaul · « **Reply #54 on:** June 07, 2006, 06:41:27 PM »

Thanks for contributing....nothing...to the discussion. Had you *read* any of the previous posts, you guys would've seen we *have* been discussing ideas to fix it.

But, I suppose its easier to post a few zingers and look like a moron.

StarOfAfrica2 · « **Reply #55 on:** June 07, 2006, 06:43:06 PM »

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Originally posted by LePaul
Thanks for contributing....nothing...to the discussion. Had you *read* any of the previous posts, you guys would've seen we *have* been discussing ideas to fix it.

But, I suppose its easier to post a few zingers and look like a moron.

Ironic, isnt it, given your sig?

hubsonfire · « **Reply #56 on:** June 07, 2006, 06:51:16 PM »

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Originally posted by LePaul
Thanks for contributing....nothing...to the discussion. Had you *read* any of the previous posts, you guys would've seen we *have* been discussing ideas to fix it.

But, I suppose its easier to post a few zingers and look like a moron.

Great fix. "make it so i can blow their stuff up, but they can't blow my stuff up."

That's a fine suggestion, and a fruitful discussion you've had. In fact, it was so persuasive, I have no idea how hardening bunkers would have any positive effect on gameplay, other than getting you to quit whining about it.

Oh, and since you were speaking of looking like a moron, the word is, "ordnance".

Darkish · « **Reply #57 on:** June 07, 2006, 07:21:38 PM »

I pork, is often only defence against a steamroller - but i will fight when light.

Anyhoo, point i'm going to make is that there is absolutely no defense against porkers. Everything else in this game has a counter except a 550mph typhie/la7/pony hellbent on shooting sheds. You can't kill them in time. By the time you have vis and have closed (this is with a cap intercept mission) they're on the field.

actually this is a bit like the buzz bombs hitting London in wwii. Interesting how history repeats.

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #58 on:** June 07, 2006, 07:24:46 PM »

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Originally posted by wipass
Ya bunch of cry babies,

If you don't want your ord taken away then put up a high cap, problem solved.

Sheesh, some of you kids need slapping

Trolling around at 15K waiting for porkers who would rather auger than engage don't exactly sound very rewarding.

Toad · « **Reply #59 on:** June 07, 2006, 07:32:01 PM »

Lemme get this straight LP.

You're crying a river that it's too easy to rampantly pork the ord and in the same post calling for the return of rampantly porking the fuel?

Two points:

1. 25% fuel in an FM2 is FAR less flying time (not enough to get to a fight on the "bases 1+ sector apart maps" ) than you get in say a later war bird like the P-51. So you want to punish the slower, less capable part of the planeset to the heaviest degree. This will drive people to the later war, faster, more heavily armed and more capable aircraft. That will add to the gameplay for sure.

2. As I've heard SO many time and as Laz has so perfectly pointed out

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the guys who claim that killing the FH and CV and porking every base where a fun fite might erupt Is somehow fair game are now crying us a river about having their toys porked?

Defend the ammo bunkers boys... that's what you tell us ad nauseam.

I do thank you for the post, however. I had no idea it would be that easy to stymie the lemming hordes. All I have to do is up a late war cannon bird and go a-porking? Kewl. Might renew some of my interest in the game if a few of us can essentially stop the lemming hordes by porking ammo.

A MA with 500 people and no ord.... think of the possibilities!