AP: U.S. to Give Iran Nuclear Technology

[john9001]

wacha wanna do westy ? invade iran?

bush is just doing with iran what you wanted to do with iraq, cooperate with the rest of the world, negotiate, inspect iran nuke program.
you neo-lib peace mongers are so bloodthirsty.

[Ripsnort]

The reason I ask Westy is that the term Neocon is subjective to the person using the statement.  The term "neocon", while increasingly popular in recent years, is a controversial term that lacks a coherent definition. While we can define "Liberal" and Conservative", Neoconservative" is probably the  most mis-used term of the past 20 years.

Here is the roots of the term "Neoconservative"

It was prominently used circa 1970 by socialist author and activist Michael Harrington in a manner similar to MacDonald's meaning, i.e. to characterize former leftists who had moved significantly to the right – people he derided as "socialists for Nixon." The "neoconservatives" thus described in this original sense tended to remain supporters of the welfare state, but had distinguished themselves from others on the left by allying with the Nixon administration over foreign policy, especially in their anti-communism, their support for the Vietnam War, and strident opposition to the Soviet Union.

[Westy]

So it's games to get the subject changed? How unusual and unlike you.   <---sarcasm>.

 You certainly know how (and "who") the term neo-con has been applied in discussions on this webboard.   Re-define it all or find some more specific meaning all you want.
 The folks who I (and many would) consider neo-cons here are (off the top of my head)  you, Nuke, eagler, gunslinger, John9000, JAB, Rude, Toad, Krusher, Mighty1, BGBMAW, Yeager and storch are examples.   Just as people like Dowding and Silat were counter-labellled as "neo-lib"



John9001 yeah that's it.   "We" liberals (neo-con and not) are so blood thirsty!  lol.  You truly are the neo-con who's knuckles drag in the mud.

[lukster]

Originally posted by Rolex
When the shah was deposed, Iran cancelled future American weapons contracts. The shah deposited $10 billion just prior to the overthrow for future purchases and maintenance contracts. When the new government called in the US ambassador to cancel the future contracts and return the $10 billion, the US response was to seize the money and dare Iran to do something about it.

One of the main reasons the US embassy was seized was in response to that dare. The $10 billion was returned to Iran and the hostages were released, as promised, but the timing was set as a final tweaking of the nose at the US State Department.

Where did you get that information. It isn't what I've been reading since 1980.

This is the story most accept:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_hostage_crisis

"They also demanded that Iran's assets in the U.S. be released. The money had been frozen by the U.S. government in response to the hostage taking. The U.S. government refused to accept the demands."

Changed the link and added excerpt

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Westy
So it's games to get the subject changed? How unusual and unlike you.   <---sarcasm>.

 You certainly know how (and "who") the term neo-con has been applied in discussions on this webboard.   Re-define it all or find some more specific meaning all you want.
 The folks who I (and many would) consider neo-cons here are (off the top of my head)  you, Nuke, eagler, gunslinger, John9000, JAB, Rude, Toad, Krusher, Mighty1, BGBMAW, Yeager and storch are examples.   Just as people like Dowding , Silat, Westy were counter-labellled as "neo-lib"



John9001 yeah that's it.   "We" liberals (neo-con and not) are so blood thirsty!  lol.  You truly are the neo-con who's knuckles drag in the mud.

John's post of "Neo-Lib" is the first time I've heard that term. But I have heard you and many others mistakenly use the term "Neocon" to describe those on this board.

Neo-conservatism is a term almost exclusively used by the enemies of America's liberation of Iraq. There is no "neo-conservative" movement in the United States. When there was one, it was made up of former Democrats who embraced the welfare state but supported Ronald Reagan's Cold War policies against the Soviet bloc. Today neo-conservatism identifies those who believe in an aggressive policy against radical Islam and the global terrorists.


Its too bad you hate America, Westy. Its a nice place "to be from".

[Westy]

I hear ya but what your saying has turned stupid and you've veared out into left field as usual.   Next will be a post saying, "BoOsh is HitLEr!" ?

 Neo-lib? Wouldn't be a label I'd find offensive in the least.  It'd be some good, intelligent, fine set of self-thinking people I'd be amongst (going by your list and my own of "neo-libs" here) even though I've only one foot on the liberal side of that fine line between liberal and conservative.

[lukster]

Originally posted by Westy
I hear ya but what your saying has turned stupid and you've veared out into left field as usual.   Next will be a post saying, "BoOsh is HitLEr!" ?

 Neo-lib? Wouldn't be a label I'd find offensive in the least.  It'd be some good, intelligent, fine set of self-thinking people I'd be amongst (going by your list and my own of "neo-libs" here) even though I've only one foot on the liberal side of that fine line between liberal and conservative.

At least ya got part of it right.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by lukster
At least ya got part of it right.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Westy
I hear ya but what your saying has turned stupid and you've veared out into left field as usual.  

An earlier post....

Originally posted by Westy I find the hypocrisy and silence from the vast majority of "neo-cons" to be funny. They've made a joke of themselves imo. Well, they always have. This is just another good chuckle.  

yep, left field.

[lukster]

Like I said, we can't win, at least in the eyes of world opinion.

It won't surprise me to find Iran turning their nose up at our offer. It would surprise me even less to learn that those making this offer expected Iran to reject it. At least we can say we tried to compromise as we force them to play nice.

[BGBMAW]

well i guess neo con is better then limp wristed linguine spinned liberal

I would enjoy punching a hippie who calls a service member a baby killer

I think there are many people here who should have abortions



label away..lol

[Westy]

"well i guess neo con is better then limp wristed linguine spinned liberal
 I would enjoy punching a hippie who calls a service member a baby killer
 I think there are many people here who should have abortions - BGBMAW"


 And wuh_lah.  The poster child for  "neo-con" shows up and with one post helps show who's the lesser of the species.     lol.


 So BGBMAW, what do you think of your hero signing off on giving the Islamic fundies NOO_QUEU_Lar technology?

[john9001]

i invented the term "neo-lib" just to upset the liberals and it works.

background; the prefix "neo" (which means new) has been used with the word "nazi", IE "neo-nazi" for so long that "neo" has taken on a bad connotation, the liberals want to label all conservatives "neo-cons" to try to make people think conseratives are really nazis.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by john9001
i invented the term "neo-lib" just to upset the liberals and it works.

background; the prefix "neo" (which means new) has been used with the word "nazi", IE "neo-nazi" for so long that "neo" has taken on a bad connotation, the liberals want to label all conservatives "neo-cons" to try to make people think conseratives are really nazis.

Well, Westy is a "dry hook, no bait" type of biter anyway. No surprise.

[Slash27]

Some one say "neo-con" again.