Author Topic: America going????? (Read 1599 times)

lukster · « **Reply #15 on:** June 08, 2006, 11:42:19 AM »

If the US government would stop stealing my hard earned income I'd let 'em track me to the toilet every morning.

Goomba · « **Reply #16 on:** June 08, 2006, 11:45:16 AM »

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If you have done nothing wrong a tracking chip will not bother you

This is a very, very dangerous point of view. Who, precisely, do we think has an inherent right to track our every movement, from cradle to grave. Who is the person so superior, so qualified to think for us, that they should have the power and ability to question every second of our natural existence?

Do you ever want to have to be accountable for every moment of every day of your entire life?

To my mind, this kind of oversimplification , and the precedent it sets, is truly a frightening prospect.

I will not, repeat, will not be universally tracked for any reason by anyone. I will answer for my whereabouts, my intentions and my actions when there is reasonable, legal and legitimate reason to do so.

(Please nobody tell me that we're tracked already through electronic records, purchases, cell phones, toll booths, etc...simply not the same thing as a unified, systematic, government controlled system.)

Not personal, six, just a response.

lukster · « **Reply #17 on:** June 08, 2006, 11:46:07 AM »

I think he was being sarcastic Goomba.

Goomba · « **Reply #18 on:** June 08, 2006, 11:49:24 AM »

Whoops...if so, Sorry Sixpence.

Some would be serious, and that obviously scares me.

No offense meant.

Sandman · « **Reply #19 on:** June 08, 2006, 11:55:23 AM »

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Originally posted by Goomba
Whoops...if so, Sorry Sixpence.

Some would be serious, and that obviously scares me.

No offense meant.

I think that was the point. Many around here voice the same opinion regarding the Patriot Act, NSA wiretaps, etc.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #20 on:** June 08, 2006, 11:57:33 AM »

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Originally posted by Sandman
I don't see why having a national ID is such a bad idea. Our borders are porous. It's fairly easy to remain in the country after the expiration of a visa.

Am I missing something?

And all the money in the world poured into this problem it would still remain porous. So, ease dropping on suspected terrorists without a court order is the answer.

Sandman · « **Reply #21 on:** June 08, 2006, 11:59:07 AM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
And all the money in the world poured into this problem it would still remain porous. So, ease dropping on suspected terrorists without a court order is the answer.

Thanks, but this isn't relevant to national ID cards.

Hangtime · « **Reply #22 on:** June 08, 2006, 12:01:17 PM »

Good subjects, no doubt, all willing to hand to a government run by thieves and corrupt politicans the future of America to protect their cushy tax loopholes and stock margins today.

lukster · « **Reply #23 on:** June 08, 2006, 12:01:18 PM »

I don't want the US governement watching me or stealing my money. If they just gotta do one, let it be watch. There's a huge difference though between watching and telling me where I can and can't go. How long will we let our government steal from us? Both our money and our privacy.

Hangtime · « **Reply #24 on:** June 08, 2006, 12:06:23 PM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
And all the money in the world poured into this problem it would still remain porous. So, ease dropping on suspected terrorists without a court order is the answer.

Yer a disgusting example of the sickness growing in this Nation, Rip.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #25 on:** June 08, 2006, 12:14:36 PM »

Yep, and we are powerless to do anything about it. Why? There is no way in hell we would be able to get a coordinated plan of attack together among the people of this nation. A sad truth, but a truth.

Elfie · « **Reply #26 on:** June 08, 2006, 12:18:53 PM »

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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Yep, and we are powerless to do anything about it. Why? There is no way in hell we would be able to get a coordinated plan of attack together among the people of this nation. A sad truth, but a truth.

That coupled with the fact that most Americans would refuse to believe the problem was severe enough to warrant a coordinated attack until it was far to late to do anything.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #27 on:** June 08, 2006, 12:20:09 PM »

Oh, to be sure, we are an apathetic lot.

AlGorithm · « **Reply #28 on:** June 08, 2006, 12:24:24 PM »

Somewhat related;

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In LALAland;
Unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), commonly known as drone aircraft, are about to be launched for the first time by the police in Los Angeles.
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The SkySeer has been designed for quick and easy use by police officers on the street. It can be folded up and stored like a tent in a backpack.
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Commander Heal is quick to point out that it is not their intention to launch 'big brother' style surveillance operations.

"There's no place in an urban environment that you can go to right now that you're not being looked at with a video camera and you have nothing to fear from your own government - you are being watched by your fellow citizens," he says.

"The only time that this is ever going to be operational is in some kind of emergency condition."

Elfie · « **Reply #29 on:** June 08, 2006, 12:25:44 PM »

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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Oh, to be sure, we are an apathetic lot.

I dont consider myself apathetic Skuzzy. More of a realist I think. I dont remember the exact saying, something about situations when you can make a difference and when you cant and having the wisdom to know the difference. American politics and foreign policy fall into the latter.