Author Topic: A little poem a friend sent me guys (Read 2531 times)

RedTop · « **Reply #90 on:** June 22, 2006, 07:04:33 PM »

Interesting Poem.

Entertaining thread.

Being a Vet. Some of what I have read here makes me shake my head and wonder.

Maverick · « **Reply #91 on:** June 22, 2006, 07:34:33 PM »

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Originally posted by uvwpvW
Haven’t figured it out yet?

I am very clearly against it. I find any use of the military to further economic goals repugnant and criminal. Hussein invaded Kuwait to further his economic goals, aren’t we better than that?

Why don’t you just answer my question: Do you think it is ok to send soldiers to invade another nation just because it serves our economic self interest? Perhaps you are afraid of what the answer would make you.

The answer does not make me anything. Your opinion is obvious and as far as I am concerned inconsequential.

As to the national interest on either economic, security or military situation, the historical answer is that all have each been used as a means of justifying conflict on one basis or another. As per Clausiwitz (sp?) war is a political tool Granted it's the ultimate political tool but the military is a means of enforcing political power. So is holding a nation's economy for ransom. So is holding the nations population under threat or threatening to unleash a weapon on them.

Now if you can achieve the desired result without the use of military force, that is the best option. A true political solution. Is it possible all the time, no. Kuwait is a prime example, saddumb was not going to give up what he had gained and he at that point had control over a very significant portion of the world's oil.

So in answer to your question, yes a severe economic threat is definately justification for a political action up to and including the use of force. Severe being a threat capable of damage equivalent to the "great depression" of the 1920's.

Eagle Eye · « **Reply #92 on:** June 22, 2006, 07:37:41 PM »

I think Patton stated it best when he told Roosevelt:

"I must go do my job sir. Because you have failed at yours."

uvwpvW · « **Reply #93 on:** June 22, 2006, 07:57:39 PM »

“As per Clausiwitz” (meaning Clausewitz) you say. So are we militaristic Prussians now? Yes, perhaps it is a fitting comparison.

How would Iraq go about creating such an “economic threat”? By refusing to sell its oil? Iraq was only allowed to sell a minute amount of oil under the UN sanctions, so that’s a mute point. Also, they OWN the oil under their soil, and can do with it as they please … or are you some kind of communist?

So if Iraq already was not selling its oil and therefore could not influence the price of oil in any substantial way, how exactly was Iraq a threat to America or the west (or anybody)? How could they have hurt us economically or otherwise?

You are grasping at straws, like all your like minded.

Maverick · « **Reply #94 on:** June 22, 2006, 09:07:08 PM »

You asked a question and I answered it, truthfully and with thought. You on the other hand have nothing to offer but adhoc attacks. You must have taken lessons from nash.

red26 · « **Reply #95 on:** June 22, 2006, 10:56:40 PM »

Hey did yall here they found WMD I dont remmember how much but it was a crap load. So put that in your little Communist bowl and smoke it NASH just go smoke your crap and have your fun wile the fighting is done to keep you and all outhers free BUDY!!!!! Dang commies:furious

Nash · « **Reply #96 on:** June 22, 2006, 11:05:17 PM »

lol... get ahold of your sweet selves.

red26 · « **Reply #97 on:** June 22, 2006, 11:09:17 PM »

Oh and by the way I just wanted to add in Normandy there is a cemetary it holds over 500 body of american troops from D-Day its funny that we complane about loosing 200 trops a year when we lost over 500 troops in one day on D-Day and thats just one cemetary too. there are like 50 of them in Normandy.

This Info was given to me by a Former Capt. Us Air Force that served on D-Day flying the P-47 up and down the beaches of normandy. 18 Of his best friends are laid to rest in that cemetary.

Yeager · « **Reply #98 on:** June 22, 2006, 11:38:48 PM »

hmmm.....eagle eye, tell me about your avatar.

Thud · « **Reply #99 on:** June 23, 2006, 06:12:37 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
And... yes I do believe that the red and the blue states should hate each other and that far from "not being that much different from each other" they are diametricaly opposed to each other.

Only people with a blue state mentality would try to pretend that there is no difference. The gap is huge and unbridgable. The blue states are socialist and therefore will never give up.

It is a fundamental and unsolvable difference between socialism and individualism when boiled down to its essence.

lazs

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Originally posted by Neubob
Nash is Nash, and I appreciate him for it... I may even love him for it, but that would sound way too left-wing for my taste.

Regardless, our views on the world couldn't differ more. Nevertheless, I value the guy's intelligence and his sense of humor. Agreement is not a pre-requisite for respect.

Be friends, fellas.... Life's short.

Sorry for the shameless plagiarism here, but upon reading Neubob's post I immediately thought of Lasz's rant above...

midnight Target · « **Reply #100 on:** June 23, 2006, 07:25:05 AM »

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Originally posted by red26
Oh and by the way I just wanted to add in Normandy there is a cemetary it holds over 500 body of american troops from D-Day its funny that we complane about loosing 200 trops a year when we lost over 500 troops in one day on D-Day and thats just one cemetary too. there are like 50 of them in Normandy.

This Info was given to me by a Former Capt. Us Air Force that served on D-Day flying the P-47 up and down the beaches of normandy. 18 Of his best friends are laid to rest in that cemetary.

You need to read more.

And bone up on your info before you post... the 1st ID didn't have an "Operation Danger" they had a Task Force Danger.

uvwpvW · « **Reply #101 on:** June 23, 2006, 10:03:18 AM »

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Originally posted by Maverick
You asked a question and I answered it, truthfully and with thought. You on the other hand have nothing to offer but adhoc attacks. You must have taken lessons from nash.

I’m confident you meant ad hominem, not ad hoc. No I have made no ad hominem attacks. Although I recognize that some of my comments may carry a bit of sting, that does not make them ad hominem attacks.

Your post quoted above however is an ad hominem attack. You attack the person (hominem) – me – to deflect the fact that you are unable to form a counter-argument. The only options you are left with are to concede the debate or make an ad hominem attack. Naturally you choose the latter.

Let’s review the debate in brief:

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Originally posted by uvwpvW
The Iraqis are not our friends, Iraq was not a threat and its diminishing military couldn’t even threaten its weakling neighbors.

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Originally posted by Maverick
Saying that iraq is or was not a threat because they could not invade the mainland is overly simplistic. Given the nature of oil and it's impact on the entire world economy iraq had a significant impact on world economic events…

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Originally posted by uvwpvW
Tell me Maverick, do you think it is ok to send soldiers to invade another nation just because it serves our economic self interest?

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Originally posted by Maverick
… yes a severe economic threat is definately justification for a political action up to and including the use of force. Severe being a threat capable of damage equivalent to the "great depression" of the 1920's.

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Originally posted by uvwpvW
How would Iraq go about creating such an “economic threat”? By refusing to sell its oil? Iraq was only allowed to sell a minute amount of oil under the UN sanctions, so that’s a mute point. Also, they OWN the oil under their soil, and can do with it as they please … or are you some kind of communist?

So if Iraq already was not selling its oil and therefore could not influence the price of oil in any substantial way, how exactly was Iraq a threat to America or the west (or anybody)? How could they have hurt us economically or otherwise?

You failing to come up with a credible response leaves me no choice but to conclude that Iraq was no threat to us or the west in general, militarily, economically or otherwise.

Unless you have some more straws you wish to grasp at, I consider this matter closed.

Eagle Eye · « **Reply #102 on:** June 23, 2006, 10:59:59 AM »

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Originally posted by Yeager
hmmm.....eagle eye, tell me about your avatar.

P-61 Blackwidow nice huh?

porkfrog · « **Reply #103 on:** June 23, 2006, 12:09:14 PM »

I'm not going to get mixed up in all this. I would just like to point out the fine use in this thread of some of the following words.

obtuse
quagmire
temerity
duplicitous
vitriolic
compunction

Good stuff!!!!

-JoLLY

Yeager · « **Reply #104 on:** June 23, 2006, 01:36:39 PM »

is it a photo, a screenshot from MSFS or what?