Author Topic: F-22 goes vertical (Read 2047 times)

Sandman · « **Reply #15 on:** June 25, 2006, 11:16:33 PM »

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? I don't think you've been to many air shows recently.

I've seen enough. The single plane stuff is all well within the performance envelope. Otherwise, they wouldn't be allowed to do it.

DiabloTX · « **Reply #16 on:** June 25, 2006, 11:33:06 PM »

I may be wrong, it has been proven before, but I THINK flying formation 18 inches apart between planes is a little more dangerous than showing the performance envelope of a single plane within airshow guidelines. I don't know, maybe it's just me. Whatever.

Sandman · « **Reply #17 on:** June 25, 2006, 11:33:54 PM »

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I may be wrong, it has been proven before, but I THINK flying formation 18 inches apart between planes is a little more dangerous than showing the performance envelope of a single plane within airshow guidelines. I don't know, maybe it's just me. Whatever.

It's not just you.

Mini D · « **Reply #18 on:** June 25, 2006, 11:49:38 PM »

Hmmm... never seen the blue angels ride the sonic boom the length of the runway before.

Formation flying is OK.. but it doesn't show of the planes. The solos show off the plane's features. Even the T-Birds and Blue Angels do the near stall high AOA fly-by-wire demonstration solo. Every solo act I've seen beats the living snot out of any solo bit the blue angels or t-birds do.

Of course... the best demonstrations are the empty cargo planes. Especially the C-17. The empty bombers can be fun too as long as they're not letting the squadron commander fly.

Sandman · « **Reply #19 on:** June 25, 2006, 11:54:38 PM »

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Hmmm... never seen the blue angels ride the sonic boom the length of the runway before.

I haven't seen a supersonic pass since I was at sea. Nowadays, it seems that the military is far too worried about braking things and complaints to the public affairs office. If you're someplace where planes are still allowed to do a low supersonic pass, savor it.

Mini D · « **Reply #20 on:** June 25, 2006, 11:56:26 PM »

It's not supersonic... it's "near supersonic". Portions of the plane have supersonic airflow and it creates the popping vapor bubbles. I've seen this at every civil and military airshow I've been at for the last 5 years.

Mini D · « **Reply #21 on:** June 25, 2006, 11:58:00 PM »

This is kinda silly.

The military is going to do demonstrations for someone with this aircraft. They have to. Either they'll do it at airshows or they'll just do it at the factory. Either way, it's going to happen no matter how much the plane costs. Actually, the cost will make it absolutely required.

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #22 on:** June 26, 2006, 12:00:44 AM »

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I haven't seen a sonic boom since I was at sea.

I've never seen a sonic boom at all... of course I've never heard a lightning flash either.

Sandman · « **Reply #23 on:** June 26, 2006, 12:04:57 AM »

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I've never seen a sonic boom at all... of course I've never heard a lightning flash either.

Edited for grammar, you... you... English Nazi Bastard.

Sandman · « **Reply #24 on:** June 26, 2006, 12:06:51 AM »

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This is kinda silly.

The military is going to do demonstrations for someone with this aircraft. They have to. Either they'll do it at airshows or they'll just do it at the factory. Either way, it's going to happen no matter how much the plane costs. Actually, the cost will make it absolutely required.

Not arguing that at all. The military just doesn't use the newest and most expensive aircraft for demonstration teams. It's too dangerous.

Golfer · « **Reply #25 on:** June 26, 2006, 12:29:17 AM »

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That... and I'm curious if he was using afterburner for that climb.

He was. you could see them lit as he dropped the nose and hear the telltale 'crackle' as he went by the camera into the climb.

it's likely he was fully fueled too...mighty impressive for a low speed pull up like that just after rotations. I've seen F-15's do 'quick climbs' and that involves accelerating to the end of whatever runway they're using and then pitching up. He rotated into the vertical...very very impressive.

Elfie · « **Reply #26 on:** June 26, 2006, 12:39:16 AM »

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I haven't seen a supersonic pass since I was at sea.

I've never seen a supersonic pass, just the ones where they are just under Mach 1 and you cant hear them coming until they are almost on top of you.

Sandman · « **Reply #27 on:** June 26, 2006, 12:41:22 AM »

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I've never seen a supersonic pass, just the ones where they are just under Mach 1 and you cant hear them coming until they are almost on top of you.

On a supersonic pass, you don't hear it until they're past you and the shock wave slaps you right in the face hard enough to sting. It's amazing.

When I was a kid, I can recall seeing the Thunderbirds do a supersonic pass at Castle Air Force Base. They were flying Phantoms then.

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #28 on:** June 26, 2006, 12:47:18 AM »

A few years back an F-16 did a SS pass 200' off the runway at Reno. The sound was a brutal crack and I would be surprized if a few windshields did not suffer.

Elfie · « **Reply #29 on:** June 26, 2006, 12:56:23 AM »

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On a supersonic pass, you don't hear it until they're past you and the shock wave slaps you right in the face hard enough to sting. It's amazing.

When I was a kid, I can recall seeing the Thunderbirds do a supersonic pass at Castle Air Force Base. They were flying Phantoms then.

When the jets are just barely under Mach 1, you dont hear them, but you can see them coming, the roar of the engines hits you just before they pass you. That was amazing as well. It's kind of eerie (sp?) seeing a jet coming toward you, but you cant hear it. I do wish I could have witnessed one supersonic pass.