Author Topic: Smoking: Another debate that's over. (Read 4566 times)

lazs2 · « **Reply #105 on:** June 30, 2006, 09:16:51 AM »

Toad... I believe the estimate is about 180,000 lives a year... and if they used the smoking way of estimation(any premature death of a drinker).... it would be closer to 400,000... the amount of missery booze inflicts on innocent bystanders is monstrous.

My only point is that if you are contributing and condoning this missery then you are a frigging hypocrite to talk about anyone elses bad habits that may cost you some inconvienence and/or money.

Freedom costs. that is all their is to it. you can't just pick and choose it has to be freedom for all.

You have the right to vote on a ban on anything you want in public buildings but you have no right to do so in private property.... even if it is open to the public.

It's like the guy who get's religion and goes around wearing a huge cross jewelry and preaches at you no matter what the subject. Not all reformed smokers are like that but..... we got one here.

lazs

lazs2 · « **Reply #106 on:** June 30, 2006, 09:18:05 AM »

so nelson... what is the legal limit for booze in a public place like a bar?

lazs

Nilsen · « **Reply #107 on:** June 30, 2006, 09:22:02 AM »

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so nelson... what is the legal limit for booze in a public place like a bar?

lazs

no legal limit as long as you behave and can sit upright

Maverick · « **Reply #108 on:** June 30, 2006, 01:13:57 PM »

Nilsen,

Since you mentioned protecting the unborn and stuff. Did your wife consume any alcohol while she was carrying your child? Did you allow that to happen?

Nilsen · « **Reply #109 on:** June 30, 2006, 01:33:21 PM »

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Nilsen,

Since you mentioned protecting the unborn and stuff. Did your wife consume any alcohol while she was carrying your child? Did you allow that to happen?

No she didnt.. why?

Nilsen · « **Reply #110 on:** June 30, 2006, 01:35:23 PM »

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4- Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users and HTC. Flaming or abusing users is not tolerated.

How does it help if the fetus has balls? Not like it can tell mommy to stop smoking can it?

Hap · « **Reply #111 on:** June 30, 2006, 01:49:19 PM »

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Freedom costs.

lazs

yup. it costs us our selfishness. if we be desirous and willing.

~~hap~~

lazs2 · « **Reply #112 on:** June 30, 2006, 02:21:48 PM »

Hap... who is selfish? the person who participates in an activity as a willing adult with willing adults or the one who would curtail his activity by putting restrictions on private property?

I would say it is the person who would impose selfish rules on other peoples property and activities simply because they don't like to be around that activity.

I think that there is not one of us that has not been annoyed or even endangered by people who were drinking.... if you haven'... then either you are a drunk yourself and don't notice or... you are pretty darn young and fortunate.

nel;son... you claim that it is ok for people to drink as much as they like in a home or bar so long as they behave...

behave?? it is far to late by then... booze by it's very nature shuts down the ability to think clearly... a drunk is simply a dangerous child in an adults body with car keys and fists.....with no control over his emotions.

Take away booze and the show "cops" wouldn't even have a story.

You must admit that much of the violence in any country is booze related and much of the missery in spousal abuse so.....

By your logic we should ban it in the home where spouses and children live and ban it in public places such as bars. After all.... I might go into a bar and I certainly don't need to be exposed to a bunch of brain impaired and dangerous a holes...

Where is my freedom?

Where is my freedom to drive when about half the fatalities are caused by these booze zombies and another 7% of the fatalities someone has booze in their system?

I don't drink or smoke but....

It is obvious in the extreme that drunk or impaired people are 100 times more of a threat to me than people smoking in their own home or private business...

And yet.... I don't call for a ban on booze. I figure that the freedom for adults to drink is worth the expense and risk to me. The loss of that freedom and the government imposition is far more dangerous than even deadly alcohol to me.

You are indeed a selfish hypocrite by wanting to ban one dangerous activity (that you recently quit) while at the same time defending an equaly dangerous and much annoying activity simply because you, as a drunk, don't want to give it up.

lazs

Nilsen · « **Reply #113 on:** June 30, 2006, 02:33:40 PM »

If you as a parent is caught here beeing drunk while caring for a baby then child services gets called.

If you smoke near your baby or while pregant then nothing happens.

Stop acting like a kid lazs.. its getting old.

You can frawn, attempt to insult, and try to annoy all you want but you better find someone else to play with.

Have a nice day.

EagleDNY · « **Reply #114 on:** June 30, 2006, 02:40:13 PM »

Freedom includes the freedom to do things that are stupid. If you want to smoke, smoke. If it were that bad I'd say the government should ban it altogether instead of taxing it to the point that they make more money off tobacco than the farmers and tobacco companies combined.

Maybe the government should ban stupidity instead. Start in Congress - make it illegal to run for elective office with less than half a brain. This should cut the government payroll by 50% and provide laborers to shovel the rest of the 'bovine excrement' that the government will try to shove down our throats.

No, I don't smoke - I just hate hypocrisy.

EagleDNY
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Nilsen · « **Reply #115 on:** June 30, 2006, 02:42:35 PM »

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Freedom includes the freedom to do things that are stupid. If you want to smoke, smoke. If it were that bad I'd say the government should ban it altogether instead of taxing it to the point that they make more money off tobacco than the farmers and tobacco companies combined.

Maybe the government should ban stupidity instead. Start in Congress - make it illegal to run for elective office with less than half a brain. This should cut the government payroll by 50% and provide laborers to shovel the rest of the 'bovine excrement' that the government will try to shove down our throats.

No, I don't smoke - I just hate hypocrisy.

EagleDNY
$.02

freedom is good.. that should also apply to the fetus who has no freedom to decide if it gets those toxins or not. Whos freedom is most important? The mother who does not feel like quitting, or the fetus who gets nicotine etc at a crucial state in its life?

weaselsan · « **Reply #116 on:** June 30, 2006, 02:48:48 PM »

Time to tax it into oblivion, someone has to pay for this......Booze is bad

EagleDNY · « **Reply #117 on:** June 30, 2006, 02:53:13 PM »

Well, since under current law a fetus has no rights, not even the right to life, that point doesn't go very far. Mom can drink herself comatose, go skydiving, or do any number of stupid things that can cause damage to that fetus - and they are all perfectly legal.

Again - it's hypocrisy that I object to. If it is that bad, the government should be banning it instead of making cash off it.

EagleDNY
$.02

Nilsen · « **Reply #118 on:** June 30, 2006, 03:02:41 PM »

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Well, since under current law a fetus has no rights, not even the right to life, that point doesn't go very far. Mom can drink herself comatose, go skydiving, or do any number of stupid things that can cause damage to that fetus - and they are all perfectly legal.

Again - it's hypocrisy that I object to. If it is that bad, the government should be banning it instead of making cash off it.

EagleDNY
$.02

fair enough.. i never called for taxes on smoking while pregnant anyway.

BUG_EAF322 · « **Reply #119 on:** June 30, 2006, 03:07:57 PM »

Exactly instead they make alot of money from it.
If cigarettes where forbidden u would pay 50% more on ur fuel bill they gonna have to get from something else.

Its big money involved.