Author Topic: Messeschmitt Bf-109, Emil, Gustav and Konrad (Read 7101 times)

Reynolds · « **Reply #120 on:** July 06, 2006, 10:32:17 PM »

See Rule #6

Angus · « **Reply #121 on:** July 07, 2006, 09:38:36 AM »

So, how about some more 109 stuff.
Something like performance of the 109E for instance, - 109E3 and the 109E7 for instance.
Have been looking for performance charts on those as well as the F-4, but have not come across anything good.
So, anyone????

DiabloTX · « **Reply #122 on:** July 07, 2006, 02:00:45 PM »

Man, what a POS Glasses became. Glad he got Skuzzied.

Anyway, back to the subject at hand, der 109.

BTW, I take no credit for that IRC WWII history, that's been around for years. But yes it's damn funny. My favorite part:

T0J0: wtf is nukes?
T0J0: holy ****holy****hoyl****!
*T0J0 has been eliminated.*
*The Allied team has won the game!*

Funny stuff.

My ride to work parked in front of my garage;

Reynolds · « **Reply #123 on:** July 07, 2006, 05:04:57 PM »

Thats a beutiful picture! what is it, 109 G-14 with wing rockets? Okay, as for performance and 109 tactics. Anyone notice the 109s snap-roll left when stalling?

Platano · « **Reply #124 on:** July 07, 2006, 06:42:02 PM »

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Originally posted by Reynolds
Thats a beutiful picture! what is it, 109 G-14 with wing rockets? Okay, as for performance and 109 tactics. Anyone notice the 109s snap-roll left when stalling?

yep i knoe jus wat you talking about...

I fly 109's so much that I now fail to notice when its doing that.... either I got used to flying the 109 so much that I know when its about to do it and I ease off the stick OR it does it and I correct it without me even noticing...kinda like second nature to me

Reynolds · « **Reply #125 on:** July 08, 2006, 02:35:30 AM »

So, whats the best way to counter that? For me it happens in two situations:

1. When i am flying defensively, with a bandit on my six, im low to the deck, and i try a snap-roll to either side. The roll gets out of control and i crash.

2. Im coming in for a landing, as slow as i can go (Standard procedure for me, which is normally for, because i first how to land on carriers, instead of airfields) Im pretty stable, but im dropping too fast, so i throttle up, and nose-up a very small bit. Suddenly my 109 (particularly the G-14 and K-4s) snap-rolls (left with a G-14, right with a K-4).

Whats the best recovery in these situations?

Debonair · « **Reply #126 on:** July 08, 2006, 02:47:54 AM »

dont increase angle attack if you're near stalling, unless you want to stall, which is fun

LEADPIG · « **Reply #127 on:** July 08, 2006, 04:30:00 AM »

Diablo did you make that whole thing up yourself? I bow before you, your the master !!!

Platano · « **Reply #128 on:** July 08, 2006, 10:35:42 AM »

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Originally posted by Reynolds
So, whats the best way to counter that? For me it happens in two situations:

1. When i am flying defensively, with a bandit on my six, im low to the deck, and i try a snap-roll to either side. The roll gets out of control and i crash.

2. Im coming in for a landing, as slow as i can go (Standard procedure for me, which is normally for, because i first how to land on carriers, instead of airfields) Im pretty stable, but im dropping too fast, so i throttle up, and nose-up a very small bit. Suddenly my 109 (particularly the G-14 and K-4s) snap-rolls (left with a G-14, right with a K-4).

Whats the best recovery in these situations?

Well first of all 109's werent made to land on carriers and that probably why your going as slow as you can go..and when you go as slow as you can go it's inevitable that she's gonna snap roll on you....

If your landing on an airfield notice that its an airfield and not a cv... Use ALL of the runway...you dont have to go so slow to land her.. just make sure your speed under 160mph

Reynolds · « **Reply #129 on:** July 08, 2006, 11:07:10 AM »

Yeah, the fist... 30-40 times i ever landed in any games it was on a carrier, so im used to going low and slow. But I CAN succesfully land a 109 on a carrier, come to a full stop, and take off again!

Also, those of you really interested in the luftwaffe, go to my squadron's not yet official website. I made it in the last 12 hours, so i didnt sleep at all. Everything on there i did all alone in the last day, so check it out. I have a long listing of Luftwaffe Medals and Awards you all might like. the site is:

WINGS OF DEATH Not-yet-official-website that i made in a day, and i made the forums too in a day too, and i think it looks really friggin awesome!!! and its relevant here because it has lots of Luftwaffe information on it!

uvwpvW · « **Reply #130 on:** July 08, 2006, 12:05:21 PM »

All 109s should be landed slow, around 100 mph, in a 3-point attitude with full flaps and slats deployed. The 109 should always be stalled onto the runway. Not doing this was the mistake made by so many inexperienced 109 pilots during the war that the plane got a reputation for being dangerous on the ground. Landing a 109 fast is dangerous.

Angus · « **Reply #131 on:** July 08, 2006, 12:25:22 PM »

Land the 109 around 100 mph on the 3 point. Make sure the slats are out (they should) and it's a piece of pie.
Want a challenge on a CV, try something big, - like a Lancaster

Or a 262....

Oh, and BTW about 5% of 109's were lost because of landing accidents. AFAIK that is.
If you are about to stall as well, and throttle to full power, you'll snap...

Reynolds · « **Reply #132 on:** July 08, 2006, 08:38:25 PM »

What do you guys mean a 3 point landing, you mean touch down on all three weels at once? I try to touch nose weels first, like in real life, but about 20% of the time the propeller clips the ground, 1% its a real pretty landing, and the other 79% of the time all three weels touch at once.

zorstorer · « **Reply #133 on:** July 08, 2006, 09:43:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Reynolds
What do you guys mean a 3 point landing, you mean touch down on all three weels at once? I try to touch nose weels first, like in real life, but about 20% of the time the propeller clips the ground, 1% its a real pretty landing, and the other 79% of the time all three weels touch at once.

And thats why the finnish 109 pilots laughed at the germans landing their 109's like you do

Reynolds · « **Reply #134 on:** July 08, 2006, 10:50:27 PM »

What can i say... HEIL DEUTSCHLAND!!! lol. but no, whats it mean? should i drop all 3 weels at once? or what?