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« Reply #255 on: July 23, 2006, 11:53:19 AM »

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« Reply #256 on: July 23, 2006, 12:37:17 PM »
I have a question here.

Can anyone tell me what steps hezbolah took to warn the civilian population of Haifa to get shelter of leave before attacking, at any time?
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« Reply #257 on: July 23, 2006, 01:19:35 PM »
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I have a question here.

Can anyone tell me what steps hezbolah took to warn the civilian population of Haifa to get shelter of leave before attacking, at any time?


they have been telling us that they`ll come to kill us one day,for quiet a long time...

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« Reply #258 on: July 23, 2006, 02:28:26 PM »
Caligula I will always believe the Israeli's are the good guys in the Middle East. You and your family/friends stay safe over there.
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« Reply #259 on: July 24, 2006, 06:00:13 AM »
are the french,germans, italians...etc ready to jump in this mess?
if they think they are,they better bring loads of ammo, and the will to use it...and get some tips on house to house,room to room fighting.

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« Reply #260 on: July 24, 2006, 08:20:37 AM »
Interesting poll thrawn...  pretty much says what I thought it would say... the people of America are behind the jews in this.

Kinda funny tho that the poll says that most people don't like the way Bush is hanling the situation but then...... when the way he is hanling it is broken down into poll questions.... everyone wants to do exactly what he is doing.

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« Reply #261 on: July 25, 2006, 07:22:21 AM »
I'm now back for a few days leave after I've been called to the army (air force) over a week ago.

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Depends if you tell the civilians to leave or else near Marwaheen, and then the escaping car convoy is attacked by an Isreali F16 killing 20+


The launches of rockets to the coastal cities of Naharia, Akko (acre) and Haifa are mainly from the vicinity of Tzor (Tyr). One of the reasons for this is that in Tyr there's a UN base and the refugees are flocking there. What the Hizballa is trying to achieve is a second "Kanna village". In "grapes of wrath" operation Israeli artillery returned fire to a lauch site located by artillary radar. That site turned out to be just outside the fense of a UN base with hundreds of refugees hiding inside. You can guess what happened.

I don't know about that particular incident but vehicles heading out of the region (general north direction) are not normally attacked. Vehicles driving in the opposite direction take a great risk. If that car was wandering around Tyr when rockets were launched and the airforce was hunting the launchers, than it's too bad.

In recent days the UN has arranged convoys going N from Tyr along the coast. The airfoce takes great care not to attack these convoys that the UN announce. It does not disturb Hizballa to launch rocket at these times though. In the following days, as refugees and the UN move out of Tyr I guess we'll see more and more attacks in that region.

We destroyed a lot of rocket trucks and launchers in south Lebanon. All that I know of save one were in the outskirts of villages and town or even between the buildings. The one exception was in a narrow ravine some distance from a village. The ravine is now a valley.

While the Hizballa still have enough portable launchers, the number of quality truck launchers for the bigger rockets is getting low. The airforce is also getting more efficient in hunting the launchers and in many of the massive launches the rocket truck is counter attacked within minutes. Their volleys become much less acurate and a lot of the rockets fall into the see or in fields. Still, enough fall in the cities too.

As for Beirut, the pictures on TV are deciving. Only a very specific region in the south city was bombed (the Shii). The rest of the city is pretty much undamaged, though I imagine the population is terrified. One very probable possibility is that Nasralla and the Hizballa leaders are taking refuge in the Maroon (the Cristian) part of the city they know Israel will not bomb.

The suffering and the damage caused to Lebanon is un fortunate. Lebanon is the neibour I had the highest expectations of, as it is the most advanced and open to the west country of them. In addition, Israel has no dispute or claims from Lebanon (except for keeping their border quite). However, Israelies will not die just because Lebanonese could not be bothered to deal with Hizballa. When we spot a launcher we hit it. Saving one life on our side is worth the moral price of killing a few civilians on the other side if the launcher is in a town.

Lebanonese are capable people with a brain. They can cry to the world how much they suffer or they can get off their bellybutton and do something to restrain Hizballa. The Lebanon army (not "south Lebanon army" someone linked a wiki page about. This army doesn't exist since 2000) has not been attacked by Israel except their coastal radars since they were aiding Hizballa. Lebanon goverment has still done nothing and keep its army idle. OK, not completely idle, it fires AAA at Israeli planes just out of bordom I suppose.

Bozon

btw, by the time it took me to write this I was interrupted 3 times by rocket attacks (I live in Haifa). It does gives a great satisfaction when we deliver 250 kg explosives on a launcher that has just fired at my home. I hate Hizballa for making me do this and feel good about it.
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« Reply #262 on: July 25, 2006, 07:30:54 AM »
Glad to see you are ok Bozon, I kinda figured you were called since we didnt hear from you.

Give those hizbholla launchers hell.

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« Reply #263 on: July 25, 2006, 07:33:31 AM »
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Originally posted by ~Caligula~
are the french,germans, italians...etc ready to jump in this mess?

The current UNIFIL bananas are mostly Italian and Norwegians, plus some other nationalities. I don't blame them for being worthless - I wouldn't risk myself for someone elses war. Last time they squeeked two Norwegians were sent home in bandages with the blessing of Hizballa. They did not come here to get killed, they came to get a pay check, see distant lands and feel good about themselves.

The only ones with any legitimacy and interest to keep an armed potent force there are the Lebanonese themselves. Any foreign armed force will be a justified target for Hizballa and the likes of.

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« Reply #264 on: July 25, 2006, 07:43:07 AM »
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The current UNIFIL bananas are mostly Italian and Norwegians, plus some other nationalities. I don't blame them for being worthless - I wouldn't risk myself for someone elses war. Last time they squeeked two Norwegians were sent home in bandages with the blessing of Hizballa. They did not come here to get killed, they came to get a pay check, see distant lands and feel good about themselves.

The only ones with any legitimacy and interest to keep an armed potent force there are the Lebanonese themselves. Any foreign armed force will be a justified target for Hizballa and the likes of.

Bozon



Dont fortget that they are workin under UN mandate, and are not equipped or allowed to enter armed conflict. They are observers. bananas eh?

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« Reply #265 on: July 25, 2006, 08:01:13 AM »
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the Israelis have dropped leaflets, warning the civilians to leave, no way the Israelis are thugs. That dubious honor belongs to the people lobbing 122mm rockets into cities that have no military targets.

Haifa is getting the bigger, dealier, 220mm rockets designed to hit population ceters.
Made in Syria btw.

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And no doubt Hizbollah argue that Shebaa Farms has still not been handed back to Lebanon, thus Israel has not yet withdrawn from Lebanon, so Israel is a legitimate military target etc etc.

Do you know what Shab'a farms are? it's less than a km squared area on the slopes of mount Hermon used as summer farms by Lebanonses farmers in old times. It lays in ruins for over 50 years since Syria did not allow the farmers to come there. There was a dispute between Syria an Lebanon about this (and other) territories (all this way before it was captured by Israel in 1967).

The UN has marked the border in 2000 and decided that this was considered a Syrian land according to the old maps and so marked it as part of the land captured by Israel in 1967. Israel followed UN orders to the letter, including the stupid idea to run the border through the middle of Rajar village - Syrian village that was not conquered by Israel in 1967 but asked to be occupied since it didn't want to be part of Lebanon. They are Israeli citizens now btw.
The UN are a bright bunch.

If Lebanon has claims about this territory they can go to the UN. Israel even announced that if Syria states that this is Lebanon land they will get it (like this ever going to happen...). This is obviously an excuse used by Hizballa. You give it to them, they'll find another.

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Hizbollah have little green headbands

Hamas (Palestinians) have green headbands. Hizballa color is yellow.
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« Reply #266 on: July 25, 2006, 08:09:50 AM »
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Dont fortget that they are workin under UN mandate, and are not equipped or allowed to enter armed conflict. They are observers. bananas eh?

No offense, my point was that no foriegner will fight this war. They were good observes as they observed Hizballa shelling Israeli outposts while providing security for them as airstrikes and artillery are not allowed close to UN forces.

The Hizballa troops that kidnaped the 3 Israeli soldiers 5 years ago (the soldiers died in the attack) approached in UN vehicle and uniform.

I don't blame them, but you can understand why we do not think very highly of them and would like to see them gone.
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« Reply #267 on: July 25, 2006, 08:27:00 AM »
Bozon... every hand wringing, hez-ebola lover here is a hypocrite.  

If their homes were being rocketed from a city in the bordering country to their nation they would be happy to see that entire city leveled and every man woman and child slaughtered.

They mostly come from weak little socialist countries with no diversity that never are critical of themselves but constantly nit pick every other country in the world..   Their impotence makes them mean.   They cling to the UN as their only say in  what happens in the world.

pitiful little twerps...  They don't have a tenth of the courage that the Iraeli people do and it makes them ashamed and defensive.  I also believe that a lot of it is your-0-peean anti semitism rearing it's ugly head in these oh so enlightened countries.

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« Reply #268 on: July 25, 2006, 08:29:06 AM »
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No offense, my point was that no foriegner will fight this war. They were good observes as they observed Hizballa shelling Israeli outposts while providing security for them as airstrikes and artillery are not allowed close to UN forces.

The Hizballa troops that kidnaped the 3 Israeli soldiers 5 years ago (the soldiers died in the attack) approached in UN vehicle and uniform.

I don't blame them, but you can understand why we do not think very highly of them and would like to see them gone.


What shouold they have done? Ofcourse the hiz would get close to UN forces for safty. They are cowards and smart enough to realize that they would be safe there. If those troops could shoot them than their role would have changed in an instant and could no longer have remained there. Ofcourse maybe they should not have been there in ther first place but that would have been and double edged sword.


P.S. Norway has not had troops in UNIFIL since 99, and its not like they got rich from beeing there. At best they would prolly make 80-90.000 USD a year (current exchange values) That is only slighty more than I made my last year in the Navy (and I was at home)

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« Reply #269 on: July 25, 2006, 08:30:28 AM »
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Bozon... every hand wringing, hez-ebola lover here is a hypocrite.  

If their homes were being rocketed from a city in the bordering country to their nation they would be happy to see that entire city leveled and every man woman and child slaughtered.

They mostly come from weak little socialist countries with no diversity that never are critical of themselves but constantly nit pick every other country in the world..   Their impotence makes them mean.   They cling to the UN as their only say in  what happens in the world.

pitiful little twerps...  They don't have a tenth of the courage that the Iraeli people do and it makes them ashamed and defensive.  I also believe that a lot of it is your-0-peean anti semitism rearing it's ugly head in these oh so enlightened countries.

lazs


.. nice try kid :D