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« Reply #210 on: July 20, 2006, 02:22:08 PM »
nelson... you need to stop and listen to what you are saying.... you don't seriously compare the nazi occupation with that of these dime bag terroists in lebanon?

If these a holes wanted to set up a rocket launcher (read future jewish target) on my roof....

I would... say no with arms if I could.

Or... call the police (what?  the police are part of them?)

or... leave the frigging area.

It is like the urban myth here that the jews buldoze  houses down with women and children in em.   Why didn't the women and children just walk away?

I would have to give the jews the moral upper hand here... it is only logical.... the jews NEVER sent suicide bombers into crowded arab streets to kill as many civilians as possible...

They don't behead people on TV...

They don't have a stated policy of wiping arab muslims off the face of the earth...

and... unless you are a total whack job... no one believes that they intentionaly target civilians...

Sooo.... your defense of the barbarians that do all these things... the terrorists... is suspect.... to say the two sides are comparable and alike is very telling.

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« Reply #211 on: July 20, 2006, 02:24:44 PM »
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Use the TV. On the news the other day I saw some launchers being used in between houses on a street in an obvious urban envirinment.

Yep I know you won't want to accept the source since it was the news in the US. Whatever. At this time I kinda really don't want to go there myself and take film of it in action and you wouldn't want to believe me either.



Your word on what you saw on the news is good enough for me.

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« Reply #212 on: July 20, 2006, 02:50:45 PM »
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OK now!! So it boils down to intent.

Lets look at this thing called intent. You wish to condem the Isrealis because they responded to an attack on their soil from a neighboring country. The attack is launched by the use of unguided rockets on a civilain city with no definable military targets on it. The attack is launched by folks who place their launcher in a city neighborhood populated by their own people. Once they place the launcher there and especially after they launch the weapon, that area becomes a legitimate military target.

Now who has the intent here. The people who fire back? Or it it possibly the ones who place the weapon in a civilian neighborhood and launch the unguided weapon into a city with no military value? Nah it couldn't POSSIBLY be the ones launching the rockets. They are peace loving muslims who just simply HAVE to use their own people as human shields as there can't possibly be any non urban area to launch unguided rockets from anywhere else in that rural desert country. Right got it....:rolleyes:
Both Hizbollah & Israel intend to kill civilians, both are "thugs". And note it's not Lebanon, but Hizbollah that started and are participating in this round of violence.

I suppose if you look back further for the intent, Israel's invasion of Lebanon is the reason Hizbollah was formed, so you could just look at it as blowback from a previous incursion. And no doubt Hizbollah argue that Shebaa Farms has still not been handed back to Lebanon, thus Israel has not yet withdrawn from Lebanon, so Israel is a legitimate military target etc etc.

Rest assured both sides are convinced they are fully justified in doing it —_otherwise they wouldn't do it. But also note that none of these justifications changes the fact that both sides are deliberately killing civilians. So I condemn the Israelis for deliberately killing civilians. And I condemn Hizbollah too. I currently condemn the Israelis more because they're killing more civilians.
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« Reply #213 on: July 20, 2006, 03:02:48 PM »
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And note it's not Lebanon, but Hizbollah that started and are participating in this round of violence.


At what point does the general population of a country become responsible for the actions of their government? At what point does the government (in Lebanon) become responsible for the acts-of-war carried out against their neighbor from within their sovereign borders?

It is a rhetorical question but I say 100% of the time on both counts.

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« Reply #214 on: July 20, 2006, 03:04:57 PM »
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They way I see it, if your "cause" requires you to wear a ski mask as part of your uniform, you should re-evaluate it

I hope Israel exterminates every single one of the masked "freedom fighter" they can before the hand wringing becomes some loud they are forced to stop
A stunning indictment of the SAS, GSG 9, and other counter terrorist forces, SWAT teams and Artic troops the world over. Surprising indeed from you.

Hizbollah have little green headbands, though they do often dress in black like a lot of those guys in uniform you're railing against, a suspicious trait in itself.
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« Reply #215 on: July 20, 2006, 03:07:18 PM »
If the folks here think Isreal is .."too harsh"..they are complete idiots


The peopel who they are attacking ...HAVE STATED IN WRIITING FOR COMPLETE DESRTUCTION OF ISREAL AND ITS PEOPLE


Simple..So Hamas..Hizpoobah..Iran Syria..Need to get KILLED


Isreal I wish you luck...feel free to use the Big Bomb

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« Reply #216 on: July 20, 2006, 03:28:36 PM »
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A stunning indictment of the SAS, GSG 9, and other counter terrorist forces, SWAT teams and Artic troops the world over. Surprising indeed from you.

Hizbollah have little green headbands, though they do often dress in black like a lot of those guys in uniform you're railing against, a suspicious trait in itself.


oh yeah, forgot all those parades full of swat guys with ski masks marching up and down the street on the tele LOL

artic troops? so the heezboobs are cold now?  LOL
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« Reply #217 on: July 20, 2006, 03:38:57 PM »
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At what point does the general population of a country become responsible for the actions of their government? At what point does the government (in Lebanon) become responsible for the acts-of-war carried out against their neighbor from within their sovereign borders?

It is a rhetorical question but I say 100% of the time on both counts.
Well, as I tried to point out, it's not so cut and dried. The reason Lebanon has Hizbollah, and why it has no military control over the South of Lebanon is Israel's invasion, and border clashes stirred up by both parties since. And as the people of Lebanon don't vote on who runs Hizbollah or what they do, how can we hold them responsible?

Especially given the sectarian nature of Lebanon —_not only are there divides within the muslim populace between Shia   & Sunni, but a bit over 40% of Lebanese are christians, and 5% are Druze, so they're less likely to agree with Hizbollah.

So if we're talking purely religiously, Hizbollah —_as a *****e group — represent about 26% of Lebanese. Of course, that's over-simplified — a lot of Shia aren't going to agree with Hizbollah, and it doesn't go straight down religious lines —_so no doubt some Sunni, Druze or Xians are going to be pro Hizbollah.

However as far as I can see, if we apply your logic, then both countries' civilians are legitimate targets, and both sides are justified in killing civilians now. So I'd say I disagree with the logic all told — I reckon it doesn't justify deliberately killing civilians for either side.
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« Reply #218 on: July 20, 2006, 03:47:44 PM »
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Originally posted by lazs2
nelson... you need to stop and listen to what you are saying.... you don't seriously compare the nazi occupation with that of these dime bag terroists in lebanon?

If these a holes wanted to set up a rocket launcher (read future jewish target) on my roof....

I would... say no with arms if I could.

Or... call the police (what?  the police are part of them?)

or... leave the frigging area.

It is like the urban myth here that the jews buldoze  houses down with women and children in em.   Why didn't the women and children just walk away?

I would have to give the jews the moral upper hand here... it is only logical.... the jews NEVER sent suicide bombers into crowded arab streets to kill as many civilians as possible...

They don't behead people on TV...

They don't have a stated policy of wiping arab muslims off the face of the earth...

and... unless you are a total whack job... no one believes that they intentionaly target civilians...

Sooo.... your defense of the barbarians that do all these things... the terrorists... is suspect.... to say the two sides are comparable and alike is very telling.

lazs


You need to stop and read what im saying.

Im not comparing nazi occupation to whats happening in lebanon.. Im saying that if 4 dudes in hoods at your door with guns saying they want in then you let them in. Does not matter if they are nazi, hisbollah or whatever. if you dont get that then that is your problem, not mine. Dont even try to be funny lazs... you would not do squat if you have a family in your house and they knock on your door with AKs. You do as they say period. Dont even try to say that you would play hero.

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« Reply #219 on: July 20, 2006, 04:07:33 PM »
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Originally posted by BGBMAW
If the folks here think Isreal is .."too harsh"..they are complete idiots


The peopel who they are attacking ...HAVE STATED IN WRIITING FOR COMPLETE DESRTUCTION OF ISREAL AND ITS PEOPLE


Simple..So Hamas..Hizpoobah..Iran Syria..Need to get KILLED


Isreal I wish you luck...feel free to use the Big Bomb


Cant get your point across without calling those that do not view the world from your standpoint idiots?

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« Reply #220 on: July 20, 2006, 04:24:10 PM »
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Both Hizbollah & Israel intend to kill civilians, both are "thugs".


Yep, Israel intends to kill civilians, thats why they dropped leaflets warning them to leave. :huh

If you are warned to leave an area because danger, life threatening danger.....is imminent, and you choose to NOT leave and you get hurt, or even deaded....who's fault is that? Yours and yours alone, no one elses.
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« Reply #221 on: July 20, 2006, 04:39:29 PM »
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The reason Lebanon has Hizbollah, and why it has no military control over the South of Lebanon is Israel's invasion,


Why did Israel invade and occupy southern Lebanon for 18 or so years? Maybe because they got tired of the PLO shelling their cities from within Lebanon?

When Israel finally does pull out of southern Lebanon, the Hizbollah nutjobs move in and start doing the same thing the PLO used to do, shell Israel.

Lebanon has a history of allowing terrorist organizations to not only occupy parts of their country, but to attack another sovereign nation from camps within the Lebanese borders.

I dont blame Israel one bit for it's actions. They have every right to ensure the safety of their citizens. Yes, civilians are going to die and that is unfortunate. Israel is trying to keep the civilian casualties to a minimum though, as evidenced by them dropping leaflets. That is more than you can say for Hezbollah with their deliberate rocket attacks on Israeli cities.
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« Reply #222 on: July 20, 2006, 05:14:44 PM »
when the shoe fits wear it

And yes..people are idiots if they think isreal is "too harsh"

But theses same people are very very quiet ...when

1) you are lopping some ones head off with a butter knife

2) you are strapping c4 with nails on..then walking into a wedding/pizza parlor/bus



Ya...thats real nice....Funny the racists in the EU-UN-Middel east..close there pie holes when that happens......"Give peace a chance"

They moved out 6  years ago...UN sits on border..what did they do to stop Hamas or Hizpoobaa?..NOTHING

yes idiots truly fits the shoe

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« Reply #223 on: July 20, 2006, 05:59:40 PM »
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yes idiots truly fits the shoe

I understand what you are saying, but perhaps we could say they are being close minded instead of being an idiot?

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« Reply #224 on: July 20, 2006, 06:34:12 PM »
Latest I hear is Lebanon saying they will fight with Hezbollah against Israel if Israel sends large scale ground forces into Lebanon to fight Hezbollah. This whole thing could escalate out of control yet.