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Offline StSanta

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« on: November 02, 2001, 08:01:00 AM »
Been called a racist again today. An inconsiderate, egoistic selfcentered "everyone for him/her self" racist. So this is how it is to be a republican.

I am not a racist. When I say I dislike the way women are taught, like Skinner's dogs, to cover up and think of themselves as less than men, I am commenting on a cultural aspect in a society, or in societies.

Likewise, when I comment that unemployment within a segment of a population is incredibly high, and that the associated costs are astronomical, money which is taken from other places, I am not saying that people of a specific race are lazy.

When I say that people from a specific region has a culture with different values, different ways of approaching work, family and religion. I ain't a racist. If I say "all  Somalis are leeches", even that does not make me a racist. The term Somali is a reference to someone from a specific geographical area of the world, not a race. That they tend to be black (is that a politically acceptable term?) is of no importance whatsoever. The region they come from have cultural values, and those are the ones I am commenting on.

When I say "Danes should diddlyin' stop being so concerned about safety and start taking libery more seriously", I am not suggesting that all whites value security more than freedom.

Is it just me, or do people have a tendency to label you a racist, when you in fact are commenting on something that has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with culture?

Am I a bigot when I say I dislike certain religions? I am not a bigot when I say the Nazi's are wacky, and, as a secular guy, organised religions are organisations just like the nazi parties are organisations.

Man. I'm a culture-ist and I admit it. I discriminate too: bananas taste good, raw liver does not. Democracy is better than dictatorship. Equality is better than subjugation.

I can't be the only one alive with ideas like this. Anyone out there?

[ 11-02-2001: Message edited by: StSanta ]

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« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2001, 08:18:00 AM »
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Is it just me, or do people have a tendency to label you a racist, when you in fact are commenting on something that has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with culture?

Absolutely, yah fediddlein bigot.

 
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So this is how it is to be a republican.

You ain't seen nothin yet; ya dirtbag.

 
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I discriminate too: bananas taste good, raw liver does not. Democracy is better than dictatorship. Equality is better than subjugation.

Ahhhh... yer a commie too? Damn, yer just too easy a target Santa!

Cheer up... yer still my favorite danish commie racist bigot inna socialist nazi dirtbag LW pilot suit. There's honor in that.  :D

Ok; jokes aside... Santa, if you stimulated someones 'amazinhunk' reflex, then you did it right. The knee-jerk 'racist' reaction generally means yah whacked a nail dead on the head. Keep up the good work... Being a republicrat is it's own reward.

Now get back out there and shout those pinheads down.
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« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2001, 09:07:00 AM »
When you put your opinion on the table especially on a very public BBS and a world wide viewing audience you better wear your helmet.

I try to refrain form those kind of posts since it's too dam hard to get the "tone" of the post properly and all hell usually breaks loose.

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« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2001, 09:31:00 AM »
roadkill; Spermsky... yer a freakin Uncertified Canuck Cracker (UCC), currently operating in violation of the Greater Georgia Redneck Vocal Resolution (GGRVR) and as such you are therefore not allowed to have an opinion.

Hey; this labeling stuff is fun!
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« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2001, 10:07:00 AM »
you forgot LW Supremecist Hang.   ;)

I personally allways look forward to your posts Santa, they are sure fire to provide another point of view on things and I for one welcome it.
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« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2001, 10:08:00 AM »
I like Santa because I know by his hard work in school, his questions of investment, that one day, he will make alot of money, then tell me "Rip,you were right"   :)

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« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2001, 10:10:00 AM »
Hangtime...

No words...

You're incredible.

One question: why do you hate communists so much? Maybe some sexual problem since early childhood?

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« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2001, 10:15:00 AM »
See, Santa??  ;)

I rest my case.
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« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2001, 12:02:00 PM »
No, you are not alone with your ideas of semantics.  :)  Words mean things! But ... there are a lot of people do not know the difference between bigot, racist, and discrimination.  Not all of these people will admit that they do not know the differences of semantics, in spite of their respective educational acumen, or lack thereof.
Keep posting, there are persons who understand your meanings, as well as those who never will.  :D
It is far easier to "read" a post from a person who uses language correctly than to attempt to interpret a post from one who is ranting.  It is also ,sometimes, difficult to understand fully the POV of persons who have a different language as their first.
All the above is just my opinion taken from a lifetime of observing different peoples in and out of their own cultural environment.
My own personal favorite example is talking with a american friend after he came home from a vacation overseas.  He made the offhand comment that there wasn't anything there but a bunch of foreigners.  :rolleyes:  :D
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« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2001, 12:13:00 PM »
For some time the world as been trying to convince me that I am a perpetuator of bigotry, racism and prejudice because I am a caucasion hetrosexual male.

The strange thing is, I didn't create the "caucasion hetrosexual male" title.

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Offline mrfish

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« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2001, 12:16:00 PM »
i think that before the 60's, people didn't use very much discretion or insight in dealing with others

- they relied on their generalizations TOO much. whites in segregated america, the nazis, even everyday joe and martha saw everything in black and white.

the result was to try to get people to make NO generalizations at all in an attempt to correct those wrongs.

so now you have to speak blandly about everything and embrace the idea of total relativism, everything is right, no one is evil or wrong, just sick, oppressed or misunderstood.

you can't hold that any schema is applicable to a group either. in it's extreme form you can't even acknolwedge the existence of "groups" per se.

the irony is, the same clueless plebians that buy this total relativistic nonsense are probably the same lazy bastards that bought sight-unseen into the last failed racial paradigm! it's laziness.

i think the modern reality is somewhere in between, whether that's popular or not. the 60's were 40 years ago, it's time to move on to a closer approximation of the truth.

generalizations are instinctual and not necessarily bad, BUT (here's the key), you have to be able to dismiss those generalizations if they fail to describe what you are generalizing about.

EX: almost every border collie i have ever met since i was a kid has tried to bite me (true story)

based on that - how should i react when i see a border collie?

should i offer my neck and sing kumbaya with him??? No- obviously, i should be prepared  be bit or i'm the dumbest and least instinctually adept mammal on earth!

 what if he wags his tail and tries to be my friend should i still be afraid?

of course not, the generalization no longer applies because i have new facts. furthermore, my generalizations in the future have to include this positive event as well.

is it my fault that he isn't warmly accepted? is it my defect that i don't expect the best from him?

hell no - it's the fault of the countless friggin mean-ass border collies who have attacked  me in the past, THEY determined our relationship through their actions damnit.

which elucidates the other pitfall, which is not to buy or let someone force upon you a premade set of generalizations that you have no factual backup for - then you are a racist, or at least lazy.

if 10 others tell you they have had the same experience with border collies, then you have to consider that, but you should still come to your own conclusions. it all takes a lot of mental work.

if your generalizations come from real experiences and you are ready to abandon them the instant they don't apply, then you aren't doing anything wrong and who cares what others say about you!

i doubt most people have even tried to sort out the truth - even attempting to find it gives you an advantage.

i've seen you consider sidewalk dynamics for cryin out loud, so you get credit for at least considering the topic- heheh good show.

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« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2001, 12:36:00 PM »
Hangtime, I tried to chill down.

I am calm. My hands and feet are getting warm... I am calm...

Please, expain me why you use "communist" as a negative epithet?

Nice topic for discussion for Friday night. I am sitting at work drinking beautiful Crimean (sorry to use a toponimus that you don't know) porto with my friends.

Waiting for your answer as nightingale waits for the summer.  :)

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« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2001, 12:52:00 PM »
Oh God please speed up the great intergalactic meeting of peoples from different worlds......then Black and White can live together in peace......and gang up on Green.

 

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« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2001, 12:58:00 PM »
Boroda, I am a victim of history.

So are you.

Tell me.. who was Stalin (please include the number of SOVIETS killed by his decrees) ... and was he a communist?

My commentary for Santa above was delivered tounge-in-cheek, as I am certain all here (except apparently you) are aware.
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« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2001, 01:00:00 PM »
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Originally posted by mrfish:
EX: almost every border collie i have ever met since i was a kid has tried to bite me (true story)
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hell no - it's the fault of the countless friggin mean-ass border collies who have attacked  me in the past, THEY determined our relationship through their actions damnit.

 And of course you are not a racist, as long as you keep talking about border collies, fishes and flowers.

 It is common knowlege that agression, intelligence, stability of temperament, etc. are genetic traits of the dog breeds. So your statement "hell no - it's the fault of the countless friggin mean-ass border collies who have attacked me in the past, THEY determined our relationship through their actions damnit" is technically not correct - it is the fault of the people who selectively bred that specific kind of a dog.

 And of course your ignorance (excusable by your young age at the time) is partly to blame for your bites. You did not have to personally accumulate the experience - you could read in any dog encyclopedia which dog breed was more aggressive as easy as you could read which level of voltage is dengerous.
 Incidentally, the boxer is probably the best dog breed to have around children - very stable, patient, smart and with high pain tolerance theshhold.

 But as soon as you apply the same concepts to races - that is when you are sure to be called a racist.

 StSanta: I am not saying that people of a specific race are lazy.
 Some genetic traits are linked with activity/motivation, like level of uric acid in blood, which causes caffeine-like stimulating effects - and causes gout (which is why disproportionate number of outstanding people suffer from gout). But there is no strong evidence that races differ in that respect.
 There is strong evidence that races differ significantly in genetically inheritable level of intelligence, so high level of unemployment is much easier explained by that.
 If you are being called racist (and you will be anyway), at least try to be right about your facts. Ask me for the short list of books on the subject if you are interested.

 miko