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« Reply #30 on: November 02, 2001, 02:12:00 PM »
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who doesn't admire brave (if misguided) liftwaffe pilots.

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Hey now!

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« Reply #31 on: November 02, 2001, 02:12:00 PM »
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Originally posted by batdog:
Stalin was a butcher, period. Succesful he was due to his terror tactics and constant purges. Your nation almost was over run by Germany in WW2 due to his purges... your lucky he left a couple of brilliant indiv's around ie Zukov (? spelling).

 
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Not true.

Because.

Picturing Stalin as a "butcher" is a great advantage of propaganda.

Go read some books.

FDR was a butcher.

Truman was a butcher many times worse.

Period.

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« Reply #32 on: November 02, 2001, 02:14:00 PM »
The only thing I have to say about Communism is this:

It's just like my golf swing, works in theory, but not in practice.  :D

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« Reply #33 on: November 02, 2001, 02:15:00 PM »
Miko - Salute.

Sorry, have to go home now.

About Porto - how do you expect me to call "Portwein"?  ;)

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« Reply #34 on: November 02, 2001, 02:17:00 PM »
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Originally posted by Boroda:

About Porto - how do you expect me to call "Portwein"?   ;)

Well, I think 'piss' would fit the bill.
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« Reply #35 on: November 02, 2001, 02:18:00 PM »
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Originally posted by batdog:
Stalin was a butcher, period. Succesful he was due to his terror tactics and constant purges. Your nation almost was over run by Germany in WW2 due to his purges... your lucky he left a couple of brilliant indiv's around ie Zukov

 That is not correct.
 In fact Stalin's purges of vicious but talantless criminals who were instrumental in bolshevic's coup and subsequent terror but then mostly squabbled among themselves opened positions for many young, capable and educated professionals like Zhukov etc.

 Russia's initial defeat in 1941 had nothing to do with country's alleged unpreparedness. The Red Army was in a vulnerable position grouped for attack withing 1-2 weeks (intent on "liberating" Europe from Hitler whom he equipped and set to start a world war). The devastating preemptive strikes on preparing attacker are common in history - 1967 war the best modern example.
 With most of it's aviation destroyed on teh ground, most of 25,000 tanks and 5 million front line troups lost Ssoviet Union did have problems for a few months. Of course Hitler never had a chance to defeat Russia, but he had no choice but strike preemptively.

 Stalin was a bucher but much less of a bucher then Trotsky, Lenin, Bukharin and others.

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« Reply #36 on: November 02, 2001, 02:25:00 PM »
Firstly, Miko2d, you can drop the scientific notation for statistical analysis. It doesn't add any weight to your argument for me. I have a Bachelor and a Masters degree in Applied Physics - I can do maths (or Math as Americans call it).

I'd like to see this 'laziness measurement' you're talking about. What are your standards? What is the size of the control group?

The fact that you can statistically say what proportion of people from a particular ethnic group are lazy is not very useful. How would you use this information? How would you control how this information is used?
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« Reply #37 on: November 02, 2001, 02:26:00 PM »
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Originally posted by Boroda:
About Porto - how do you expect me to call "Portwein"?    ;)

 I am not saying you've stolen the name. The manufacturer did. So you have no choice, unless you start saying "crimean wine strongly resembling port" - which is not easy to say, let alone type, after a few glasses of it...   :)

 You know, of course, that your "cognac" is referred to here using generic term "brandy" and your "champaigne" as "sparkling wine".

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« Reply #38 on: November 02, 2001, 02:34:00 PM »
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I'd like to see this 'laziness measurement' you're talking about. What are your standards? What is the size of the control group

 I used "lazyness" just as an example - because it is obviously nonsencical trait to measure - as I said in my previous post in this thread.

 My point was that statistical measurements of the differences yield quite real information.

 You know very well that size of the group required to get meaningfull statistics (small predicted standard error) can be determined by the statistics.

 I would be more interested not in lazyness but intelligence or athletic performance statistics.

 I would use that information any damn way I see fit.

 I would control this information only to the extent that it is available to anyone to use or verify.

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« Reply #39 on: November 02, 2001, 02:37:00 PM »
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Red Army was in a vulnerable position grouped for attack withing 1-2 weeks (intent on "liberating" Europe from Hitler whom he equipped and set to start a world war).

Most historians who subscribe to the view that Stalin was planning to attack Hitler, put the offensive beginning in 1942 i.e. not 1-2 weeks from Barbarossa.

As for saying Stalin was less of a butcher than Trotsky et al, well, your beloved statistics would disagree. The number killed under the Soviet regime from 1917-1987 is put at 61,000,000. Stalin accounts for 43,000,000 of these deaths. Most died under forced labour or democidal famine.
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« Reply #40 on: November 02, 2001, 02:44:00 PM »
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I would be more interested not in lazyness but intelligence or athletic performance statistics.

There isn't an intelligence test in the world that has been accepted by the scientific community as a benchmark. Not even IQ tests. Mainly because of the poorly understood science of psychology (if it can be considered a science).

Physiology is a far better understood. Your racial studies in this area would be quite valid; muscle mass and aerobic function can be readily measured.

 
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I would use that information any damn way I see fit.

The crux of the matter. How would you use your indisputable, scientifically proven information when recruiting for a vacancy at work, for instance?
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« Reply #41 on: November 02, 2001, 03:03:00 PM »
Stalin scored Fourty Three MILLION deaths?

My god.. thats almost double the number I had on his slate.

Incredible.

Heluva hero.

Fine communist, no doubt.
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« Reply #42 on: November 02, 2001, 03:05:00 PM »
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Originally posted by Udie:


 Unless you're Jewish right?   ;)

see here's a perfect example of one of those people i described in my post.

totally misses the point. read the inuendo of his retort and you'll see it doesn't even fit- his implication, obviously, is that i think jews are animals-(it's a lingering artifact from some dead thread in caseyou missed that)

now, that would be a fitting jab if and only if, my point was that we are better than animals and that animals are bad - it fails in a post where i imply we should not forget that we are animals! i mean i would have to state animals in the figurative not literal sense as stated here and i'd have to establish thatas a negative for the retort to even make sense.

lolol that's just embarassing and exhaustingly stupid, but examples of the absurb are always a fun break so thanks for the diversion.

anyway...

kratzer:

"people are individuals, and their worth is based on their character and actions as individuals."

that sums it up pretty well actually. my point is that: if you think you don't make generalizations you are stroking yourself.

you make them every day, we all do. instead of pretending we don't do it, or trying to suppress what is an evolutionary survival tool, we should learn to do it right.

how quickly can you lose that reactive generalization when the person doesn't fit it?

the current model holds that we can't generalize at all, about anything or any group and i don't feel that fits examples from nature or real world experience.

if you dont like that it's fine, that's just my opinion anyway, the important thing is that most people who set out to do the right thing and have a more realistic worldview will come up with something that works well enough either way, whatever that philosophy may be, so long as they try.  :)

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« Reply #43 on: November 02, 2001, 03:15:00 PM »
Wow...way too many words in this thread. It's pretty simple. Are we all prejudiced? Hell yes. If you think you aren't then you are kidding yourself. Are we all racists or bigots? No, thank goodness. Everyone has preconceived notions about a stranger or group of people based on our upbringing. It's up to the individual to work through those.
 
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« Reply #44 on: November 02, 2001, 03:31:00 PM »
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see here's a perfect example of one of those people i described in my post.

totally misses the point. read the inuendo of his retort and you'll see it doesn't even fit- his implication, obviously, is that i think jews are animals-(it's a lingering artifact from some dead thread in caseyou missed that)

now, that would be a fitting jab if and only if, my point was that we are better than animals and that animals are bad - it fails in a post where i imply we should not forget that we are animals! i mean i would have to state animals in the figurative not literal sense as stated here and i'd have to establish thatas a negative for the retort to even make sense.

lolol that's just embarassing and exhaustingly stupid, but examples of the absurb are always a fun break so thanks for the diversion.

anyway...



 Actually it was to remind people that you're a racist Jew hater, but please feel free to read into it what ever you want.