The war in the mid east is about to start..

[WhiteHawk]

7- Members should remember this board is aimed at a general audience. Posting pornographic or generally offensive text, images, links, etc. will not be tolerated. This includes attempts to bypass the profanity filter.

[EagleEyes]

Simple, they want to erase Israel off the map.  I can see it now, Israel will launch a ground offensive into Lebanon and Syria will come to the aid.  Israel will in turn bomb targets around Syria and because of this, Iran will launch Scuds and what not at Israel, Iraq, and Afghanistan.  Because of that, the US will launch air strikes on Syria and Iran, then Iran will launch a ground invasion of Iraq and Afganistan pushing US forces out.  


Can you say draft........................ ...



Which, by the way, i support!




Victory to Israel, US and their allies!!!

[Chairboy]

Israel's determination to survive and not allow itself to be annihiliated is thuggish and racist.  If they truly believed in peace, they'd walk into the ocean and drown.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by WhiteHawk
7- Members should remember this board is aimed at a general audience. Posting pornographic or generally offensive text, images, links, etc. will not be tolerated. This includes attempts to bypass the profanity filter.

Thinking? Whatever gave you the idea that they are thinking?

[dmf]

...........Beware the beast-man, for he is the devil's pawn, alone among God's apes. He will kill for sport, or lust, or greed
Today he will kill his brother to take his land and property
Let him not breed in great numbers,
for he will make a desert of his home, and yours.

[ASTAC]

Originally posted by Chairboy
Israel's determination to survive and not allow itself to be annihiliated is thuggish and racist.  If they truly believed in peace, they'd walk into the ocean and drown.

The last time they tried that..someone parted it for them.

[AquaShrimp]

Peace through education and prosperity.  

Of course if that doesnt work, let the working class go fight our war!

[Gunston]

Originally posted by EagleEyes
Simple, they want to erase Israel off the map.  I can see it now, Israel will launch a ground offensive into Lebanon and Syria will come to the aid.  Israel will in turn bomb targets around Syria and because of this, Iran will launch Scuds and what not at Israel, Iraq, and Afghanistan.  Because of that, the US will launch air strikes on Syria and Iran, then Iran will launch a ground invasion of Iraq and Afganistan pushing US forces out.  


Can you say draft........................ ...



Which, by the way, i support!




Victory to Israel, US and their allies!!!

EagleEyes

First off I don’t believe the scenario you describe would happen. Israel is by far the pre-eminent military power in the Middle East and could defeat the combined forces of Syria and Iran.

Second push us out of Iraq and Afghanistan do you know who we are and what we are capable of. We are not only the most powerful nation on Earth at this moment we are the most powerful nation in the history of the world when compared to the rest of the world.

Before 9-11 the US spent in the neighborhood of 326 Billion every year on defense, the rest of the world combined Russia, China, England and every other nation big and small spent a combined total of around 100 Billion. (I had looked up the figures sometime around 2000 but these are from memory so when someone does a search and says I was off 10 Billion or so ok you got me) anyway.

Contrary to all the negative hype about the war, and the fact that the loss of even one solider is indeed tragic, we have lost 2500 + soldiers in a war that in November of this year will have been as long as US involvement in WWII. We had battles in that war that started at 6:00am and by 10:00 am that morning we had lost more men than that.

The US against any or all the Middle East countries would be like one of those Sci-Fi movies where the aliens with their advanced tech come to earth and the poor earthlings are powerless against them. (We saw a preview it was called the Gulf war, it was against the most powerful Arab country at that time remember)

Third a draft why? Our soldiers are brave well trained performing unbelievable well and committed to their mission. In the field re-enlistment is at an all time high. The left in this country may want to cut and run but the majority of our men in Iraq and Afghanistan don’t.

Oh and when someone claims that the re-enlistment rate I state is false just did a search here is a New York Post article on it.

http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/52321.htm

[uvwpvW]

4- Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users and HTC. Flaming or abusing users is not tolerated.

[Gunston]

uvwpvW

Just had to make me do some work. Ok yea my numbers were off a bit, like I said looked the info up quite a while back to prove a point to some guys at work, which by the way goes to your other contention about Britain and the Romans.

If you take nukes out of the equation and since the US has 67,000 ready warheads and around 30,000 ready reserves the Russians somewhat less but nearly as many, China around 50 France around 7 but I think I heard they did or were going to dismantle theirs Israel like 7. And so on, and again I looked this info up around the same time as the other info but it’s relatively close. I don’t think a Nuke war would happen and so did not include it as part of my thought in the 1st post and that is the only thing you could mean about destroy us...

 So when Rome was at the height of its power it could take any 1, 2 maybe 3 enemies at the same time but not all enemies at once. Britain same story height of power could take France sure, Spain yea, Germany again yea Sweden yea all at once probably not. The US now vs. rest of the world combined (no nukes mind you) yea we would win.

I know this flies in the face of the lefts mantra they don’t think we can run guard duty on a bunch of poorly armed insurgents and clean up after a hurricane without “stretching our forces to thin” but the truth is we have staffed for and planned for two “real wars” in two fronts on opposite sides of the planet and by real wars I mean like the former USSR and China would have been at the same time kind of war.

Did some research on the numbers found them all over the place depending on the source? One said 2004 US-405B,  2005 China-29.9B, 2004 Russia-19B same article also stated US spends more than the combined total of the next 32 most powerful nations. Another had quite different numbers at this link http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/spending.htm

Either way doesn’t look like Iran and Syria are going to take us.

And I guess since Iran and Iraq’s 8 year war ended in a tie we were both right about the most powerful Arab Nation in the early 90’s

[thrila]

Gunston you are wrong, Britain regularly took on multiple countires and won.  Britiain fought in more than 100 wars between 1800 to 1900.  At one stage Britain was the world's only industrialised power, producing 30% of the worlds goods, her empire covering a quarter of the globe.

[uvwpvW]

Originally posted by Gunston
If you take nukes out of the equation …

“If you take nukes out of the equation” is a nonsensical premise if we are discussing the military powers of today. Nuclear weapons practically negate all conventional forces and make a nation unconquerable. Anyone thinking that today’s nuclear powers would not use their WMD to defend themselves against a superior conventional force would be gravely mistaken.

Originally posted by Gunston
… and since the US has 67,000 ready warheads and around 30,000 ready reserves the Russians somewhat less but nearly as many, China around 50 France around 7 but I think I heard they did or were going to dismantle theirs Israel like 7. And so on, and again I looked this info up around the same time as the other info but it?s relatively close. I don?t think a Nuke war would happen and so did not include it as part of my thought in the 1st post and that is the only thing you could mean about destroy us...

Where do you dig up your fantasy numbers?

France has 60 TN81 tactical nuclear bombs used on their Mirage 2000 fighters, 192 TN70/71 and 192 TN75 nuclear warheads on their M4A/B and M45 SLBMs respectively, and 20 TN81 warheads carried by Super Etendards on their carrier. That’s 464 nuclear warheads – more than enough to practically destroy any country in the world.

Britain’s got 180 operational warheads on their D-5 Trident II SLBM’s.

China’s got 18 DF-5 (NATO designation: CSS-4) ICBMs, 12 DF-4 (CSS-3) ICBMs, and 50-100 DF-3 (CSS-2) and DF-21 (CSS-5) medium-range ballistic missiles (MRBMs). Most of these missiles are armed with 3-5 megaton warheads.

India is estimated to have a stockpile of 40-50 assembled nuclear warheads and both planes and missiles to deliver them up to 2000+ miles.

Pakistan’s arsenal is estimated to be between 30-55 warheads.

Originally posted by Gunston
So when Rome was at the height of its power it could take any 1, 2 maybe 3 enemies at the same time but not all enemies at once. Britain same story height of power could take France sure, Spain yea, Germany again yea Sweden yea all at once probably not. The US now vs. rest of the world combined (no nukes mind you) yea we would win.
 

The US can defend itself against a conventional attack by the rest of the world. However offensively America doesn’t stand a chance in conquering the world. It would most likely be unable to defeat the Europeans alone, to say nothing of Russia, China and India and their literally billions of soldiers.

Originally posted by Gunston
I know this flies in the face of the lefts mantra they don?t think we can run guard duty on a bunch of poorly armed insurgents and clean up after a hurricane without ?stretching our forces to thin? but the truth is we have staffed for and planned for two ?real wars? in two fronts on opposite sides of the planet and by real wars I mean like the former USSR and China would have been at the same time kind of war.

It is true that the US has planned capabilities for fighting two different regional conflicts at the same time. A war with the Soviets and China is not a regional conflict, but a world war. Alone the US would stand little chance of winning. Even with the help of NATO the Soviets would have had a 10 to 1 advantage in material and men in a 1980’s WWIII scenario. Throw in a billion troops from China and you have a hopeless scenario.

Originally posted by Gunston
And I guess since Iran and Iraq?s 8 year war ended in a tie we were both right about the most powerful Arab Nation in the early 90?s

Iraq invaded Iran and failed. Iran won.

[Pooh21]

this world needs about a billion less muslims before they kill us all. Go Isreal

[eagl]

All I know is that a little man a couple hundred miles north of me is muttering "curses foired again!" because NK has been trumped once again on the front page.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by uvwpvW
4- Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users and HTC. Flaming or abusing users is not tolerated.
.

Breaking news:  Israel just sent ground troops into Lebanon.

Originally posted by uvwpvW I’m afraid that honor goes to the Roman and British empires. Today many countries have the ability to destroy America.

Don't even say China (hit the Three Gorges Dam and that country is on it's knees with almost 10 million dead in one airstrike).   So now we have that one out of the way, who can?  Canada, no, no, wait Iran?   You need to set down the crack pipe and step back.