The war in the mid east is about to start..

[uvwpvW]

Thank you for your thoughts and insights gentlemen, I will miss them.

Goodbye.

[Thrawn]

Gunston, the budget for defence in the US for 2005 was $401.7 billion.  The US federal government debt in 2005 was $331 billion.  If you don't have the money for something, you can't afford it.

[Edbert1]

Originally posted by Thrawn
Gunston, the budget for defence in the US for 2005 was $401.7 billion.  The US federal government debt in 2005 was $331 billion.  If you don't have the money for something, you can't afford it.

Is your house paid off? Your car(s) too?

The entire defense spending is small compared to the various redistribution-of-wealth plans/programs. So you are saying we cannot afford AFDC/WIC/Medicare/Medicaid/SSI/Welfare/food-stamps/etc. either?

[john9001]

Originally posted by Thrawn
Gunston, the budget for defence in the US for 2005 was $401.7 billion.  The US federal government debt in 2005 was $331 billion.  If you don't have the money for something, you can't afford it.

thrawn is right , we should reduce our military spending, bring our troops home and let canada take over as "defender of the free world"

good idea, eh?

[Eagler]

Originally posted by john9001
thrawn is right , we should reduce our military spending, bring our troops home and let canada take over as "defender of the free world"

good idea, eh?

of course not, once we withdraw, let the Israelis get pushed into the sea & have a dumbacrat POTUS, the rest of the world (including the muslim cheekboness) will luv us

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by Edbert1
Is your house paid off? Your car(s) too?

mine are...

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by Edbert1
Is your house paid off? Your car(s) too?

I don't have a car, I don't need one.  Don't have a house, can't afford one.  It's called living within your budget.  

The entire defense spending is small compared to the various redistribution-of-wealth plans/programs. So you are saying we cannot afford AFDC/WIC/Medicare/Medicaid/SSI/Welfare/food-stamps/etc. either?

Yep.  If you don't have the money to pay for something, you can't afford it.

[Edbert1]

Been making my mortgage payments on time for the last 19 years, car payments too. I even send the lender some extra money a few times a year to apply to principle. All this time I thought I could afford to live there, guess I'd better move out then

[WhiteHawk]

Originally posted by WhiteHawk
7- Members should remember this board is aimed at a general audience. Posting pornographic or generally offensive text, images, links, etc. will not be tolerated. This includes attempts to bypass the profanity filter.

Hmmm, what did i say here?  What has hezbollah to gain by stirring up, ohhh, i must have used a misspelled version of the profane word ****.

[ghi]

Originally posted by john9001
thrawn is right , we should reduce our military spending, bring our troops home and let canada take over as "defender of the free world"

good idea, eh?

  the goal of the life is evolution as a human and as a society.

The  canadian pacifist policy in defense spending is few steps ahead  , i hope  are going to export this ideology to the rest of the world,

 What for  a "police superpower" close to bankrupcy as a nation,  with military spending more than the reset of the world combined  !?  
Is that smart management?

how long can US aford to enforce the "flow" of the history!?  
   Empires rise and fall, the political map of the world has changed and it will change, in the future

[Eagler]

^^^
LOL LOL LOL

be thankful that the US does carry that burden

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by Gunston
As of July 11, 2006 the US spent 4.06% of GDP on defense spending ranking it at #26 in the world as a % of GDP.

Less than

 #9 Madagascar at 7.2%
 #12 Macedonia at 6.0%

  Just higher than

 # 27 Zimbabwe at 4.0%.

I think we can afford it.

See table at
https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2034rank.html


Do you guys in the rest of the world even know just how rich we are? or for that matter do you guys in the States

I’ll give you a hint

Based on GDP
The US with a little more than 298 million people is #1

The EU made up of 25 countries and a population of almost 457 million people is # 2

( I still can’t get used to this EU thing, are people from Britain, France, Germany etc. now to be called EUians or what do they want to be called)

Chart
https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2001rank.html

The french like to be called french, the brits likes to be called that and so on. The EU in not a country nor is europe a country.

[LLv34 Jarsci]

Originally posted by Gunston

Originally posted by uvwpvW
New study compares GDP and growth:
EU versus USA

If the European Union were a state in the USA it would belong to the poorest group of states. France, Italy, Great Britain and Germany have lower GDP per capita than all but four of the states in the United States. In fact, GDP per capita is lower in the vast majority of the EU-countries (EU 15) than in most of the individual American states. This puts Europeans at a level of prosperity on par with states such as Arkansas, Mississippi and West Virginia. Only the miniscule country of Luxembourg has higher per capita GDP than the average state in the USA. The results of the new study represent a grave critique of European economic policy.

Stark differences become apparent when comparing official economic statistics. Europe lags behind the USA when comparing GDP per capita and GDP growth rates. The current economic debate among EU leaders lacks an understanding of the gravity of the situation in many European countries. Structural reforms of the European economy as well as far reaching welfare reforms are well overdue. The Lisbon process lacks true impetus, nor is it sufficient to improve the economic prospects of the EU.

EU versus USA is written by Dr Fredrik Bergström, President of the Swedish Research Institute of Trade, and Mr Robert Gidehag, until recently Chief Economist of the same institute and now President of the Swedish Taxpayer's Association.
 


 I don't know about that "easily" part, maybe the needs of the America people (who enjoy the highest standard of living in the world, heck we keep hearing about the obesity epidemic and how it disproportionately affects the poor) can wait and we could use the money instead to help the EU


 

Also you should compare how many hours of work EU citisens do compared to US citisen... We don´t have so huge gap between poor and rich people, caused by socialism around here, but also health care is provided for free for everyone.

So in overall the weak people have things better here, no 3 need to do 3 jobs at the same time to just survive. On the other hand people who earn more are pretty pissed that they are so overly taxed. I pay near 40% of my income as taxes and I am pretty pissed about it...

European GDP would surely rise if people would not have health care, pensions and stuff -->you would have to work your prettythang off to save something for a rainy day.... but would this place be better to live around?

[lazs2]

The "weak" people have it better?  And how do they do that?  force the achievers to pay for it?    In my opinion socialism is the reason you are behind.

And...It is quality of life.  I do not want to live under socialism.  I would rather be an individualist.   I don't need your free health care and anyone here who needs medical attention will get it.   But....  if they can't (won't) afford it then they damn well know that they are a charity case.

Socialism trys to make people feel ok about not taking care of themselves.... no thanks.   Not at the expense of them telling me what is good for me.  

Your society would collapse if you had the same border with say mexico as we have.   With your brand of "diversity" we would be in even better shape.  

If our country falls it will be because we are going more towards socialism not because we don't have enough of it.

lazs

[Sandman]

Originally posted by ghi
the goal of the life is evolution as a human and as a society.

The  canadian pacifist policy in defense spending is few steps ahead  , i hope  are going to export this ideology to the rest of the world,

 What for  a "police superpower" close to bankrupcy as a nation,  with military spending more than the reset of the world combined  !?  
Is that smart management?

how long can US aford to enforce the "flow" of the history!?  
   Empires rise and fall, the political map of the world has changed and it will change, in the future

An excellent point. We cannot hope to sustain this spending level.