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« Reply #45 on: July 23, 2006, 01:30:08 PM »
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Those 8 people were probably saved by a gun law.


Yes, they were. The law allowed a citizen to own and possess a firearm. He used said firearm to stop a dangerous nut with a knife who was trying to kill those 8 people.
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« Reply #46 on: July 23, 2006, 02:01:25 PM »
Well, it was lucky that that avacado didn't pack an Uzi :D

Then you have many corpses...
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« Reply #47 on: July 23, 2006, 02:05:49 PM »
Not many crimes committed with Uzis over here...urban legends notwithstanding.

It's easy to kill sheep, even with a revolver, when they make no move to defend themselves.

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« Reply #48 on: July 23, 2006, 02:17:26 PM »
euraka..read some more..there are MILLIONS of crimes PREVENTED by firearms..EVERY YEAR in the USA

There are many ...many more positve uses of hanguns in the USA then negative ones..


The problem is we have a majority of really ..really crappy media here

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« Reply #49 on: July 23, 2006, 04:59:30 PM »
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Violent crime isn't a significant problem to the overwhelming majority of Americans, and one of the reasons for that is we are able to defend ourselves.


Uh huh and I'm Santa clause.

I agree with US gun laws, in fact I find a lot of what some the guys post here (like carry conceal laws) very interesting. But you can't apply that to every country. You may call it freedom to carry guns, in NZ I call our law freedom from guns :)

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« Reply #50 on: July 23, 2006, 05:22:10 PM »
Vulcan,

I don't believe he was referring to any country but the US in that comment you copied.
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« Reply #51 on: July 24, 2006, 03:56:25 AM »
Where would the USA be without gunz then?
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« Reply #52 on: July 24, 2006, 04:19:48 AM »
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Many countries have unarmed citizenry - and much lower crime than USA.


If you take a gun away from a criminal, is he suddenly no longer a criminal?

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« Reply #53 on: July 24, 2006, 05:47:47 AM »
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If you take a gun away from a criminal, is he suddenly no longer a criminal?


He's a criminal without a gun. Just the same as you don't make pedophiles teachers.

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« Reply #54 on: July 24, 2006, 08:49:40 AM »
leslie... those 8 people did not do so well against the knife wielder did they?

In America...(for you your-0-peeans... it is a very large country of allmost 300 million people with large populations of minorities of all races and backgrounds and socioeconmic status).... in America, we stop between 1.5 and 3 million crimes a year by having the right to own firearms.  

To us....  this and the fact that we feel that an armed citizenry is not only a basic human right (the right to defend yourself) but a duty to stave off tyranny from within and without... these things make us believe that defending the basic human right to be armed against your attackers is worth any price.

In America... about 5% of the population commits about 90% of the serious crime...  About 15% of the population is of a race that commits 51% of the hommicides and gun crime.

It does not make sense to disarm the good people to us.

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« Reply #55 on: July 24, 2006, 09:56:21 AM »
Things had turned ugly for Oklahoma Highway Patrol Officer Rick Wallace. He had found marijuana on a speeder, but was overpowered by the man before he could cuff him. Passerby Adolph Krejsek witnessed the altercation and came to the rescue, using his own firearm to help the trooper control the suspect. After helping subdue the assailant, Krejsek used the injured trooper`s radio to call for help.
(The Review Courier, Alva, OK, 1/8/95) (AR 6/95)

"It`s more than fighting fires. If somebody is in trouble, we`re going to show up," said Sipsey Valley volunteer firefighter James "Buddy" O`Hanlon. O`Hanlon was one of about 30 armed volunteer firefighters who responded within minutes to an emergency call from their chief, L.A. Marlowe, who had just been robbed and shot at outside of his Buhl, Ala., store. One suspect was spotted before he made it 100 yds. and was cornered in the woods by the army of firefighters, who apprehended him. Sheriff`s deputies quickly arrested another robber who had been identified by the firefighters. A third suspect was later apprehended.
(The News, Tuscaloosa, AL, 1/12/95) (AR 4/95)

In the finest tradition of armed citizens who take on crime in their communities, Texan Travis Neel helped save a wounded Harris County deputy sheriff`s life. Witnessing the shooting by one of a trio of Houston gang members after a traffic stop just west of Houston, Neel--who was on his way to his pistol range--pulled his gun and fired, driving the officer`s assailants away. An off-duty sheriff`s deputy also came on the scene and joined Neel in covering the deputy, whose life was saved by his body armor. The trio was captured after a manhunt.
(The Post, Houston, TX, 1/22/94) (AR 4/94)

While the situation ended without incident, armed citizen Michael Acree stood ready to lend a hand when a police officer stopped a carload of unruly teenagers outside his Salem, Connecticut, home. Noticing the youths scuffling with the officer, Acree retrieved his pistol and went out onto his lawn. When the youths saw Acree and his handgun, they calmed down and the situation ended peaceably. Acree earned the appreciation both of town officials and the officer.
(The Bulletin, Norwich, CT, 5/22/93) (AR 9/93)

Vincent McCarthy wasn`t afraid to lend a hand when he noticed a police officer struggling with a man and woman at the side of the road. He tried to help subdue the man who was kicking the officer in the face. Despite McCarthy`s warnings, the man pressed his assault, and the tour boat captain shot him once in the leg with a pistol he is licensed to carry and stopped the attack. Neither the officer nor McCarthy were seriously injured.
(The Daily Commercial, Leesburg, FL, 4/10/92) (AR 6/92)

Citizens of Ivor, Va., turned out in force when two men robbed the local bank. After their car crashed while fleeing from police, the duo fled into a wooded area. Local residents immediately armed themselves and, along with police, surrounded the woods. The pair surrendered to a volunteer and an officer the next morning. Said one local resident, "Here, the feeling is `Hey, you`ve got my money.`"
(The Virginian-Pilot, Norfolk, VA, 10/20/91)(AR 3/92)

A North Myrtle Beach, N.C., citizen was credited by the city`s public safety director with possibly saving the life of Police Officer Richard Jernick. Jernick had pulled over a suspected bank robber`s car after a chase, when the suspect charged the cruiser and pointed a gun at the officer, who was still behind the wheel. At that point authorities said, the robbery suspect saw that James Beach, a semi-retired electrician who had joined the pursuit, had a pistol pointed at him. Startled, the robber ran for his car, and Officer Jernick was able to shoot and wound him.
(The Observer, Charlotte, NC, 7/4/91) (AR 9/91)

When Eric Stewart of Oxford, Iowa, heard that an Iowa state trooper had been killed in a plane crash while participating in the manhunt for a robbery suspect, he got his revolver, jumped in his car and joined the search. He passed a man on foot he thought might be the suspect. Stewart stopped at a local farm, and while he was talking to the owners, the man attempted to force his way into the home. Stewart captured and held him at gunpoint until police arrived.
(The Press-Citizen, Iowa City, IA, 10/15/90) (AR 1/91)

During a drug arrest in Webster Parish, La., a sheriff`s deputy and a state trooper found themselves struggling with their two suspects. But four citizens observed the battle and, armed with shotguns, they came to the officers` aid, enabling them to make the arrests.
(The Press-Herald, Minden, LA, 5/23/89) (AR 11/89)

Dave Storton, a San Jose, Calif., police officer, was doing off-duty security work at an apartment complex when two burglars knocked him down and attempted to grab his revolver. During the struggle, one of the assailants bit off part of Storton`s ear, but the two attackers were run off by an apartment resident who came to the rescue, armed with a shotgun.
(The Chronicle, San Francisco, CA, 5/12/88) (AR 10/88)

Miami, Okla., motel owner Oba Edwards witnessed two policemen struggling with a man they were attempting to arrest and saw the man wrest away one officer`s revolver, shoot and kill him. Edwards armed himself and fired a shot that allowed the remaining officer to recover his partner`s revolver and fatally wound the attacker. The dead man was on probation for assault of a Texas police officer.
(The Daily Oklahoman, Oklahoma City, OK, 6/7/88) (AR 9/88)

After a string of burglaries, a group of four Beaumont, Tex., neighbors, armed with shotguns, handguns and bats, pursued a burglary suspect to an overgrown field. Police and residents then joined forces to capture the suspect, who had set some dry grass on fire to elude pursuit. A police detective later commented, "In the rush, we didn`t have time to get their names, but we really appreciated it."
(The Enterprise, Beaumont, TX, 11/12/87) (AR 3/88)

The robber made a clean getaway and had pulled into the Pelham, Ala., service station. He found the service rather rude, however, as manager Ed Milstead used a 12-ga. shotgun to hold him for police. Milstead had learned of the robbery from a police scanner.
(The News, Birmingham, AL, 2/1/86) (AR 5/86)

A teller in a bank in Indianapolis, Ind., called out to Joseph Ernst when a man claiming to have a pistol and a bomb was about to get away with a bagful of stolen money. Ernst, a uniformed sheriff`s deputy, tackled the man. As they grappled on the floor, the robber tried to get to Ernst`s sidearm. But Samuel Hatcher, who`d worked with the deputy years before, halted the struggle by drawing a licensed handgun and holding it to the robber`s head.
(The Star, Indianapolis, IN) (AR 1/83)

A sheriff`s deputy pursued an armed robbery suspect to a Salem, Oreg., supermarket and fired on the man after nearly being run down in the parking lot. From his adjacent residence, James Hicks was alerted to the disturbance and armed himself. When the fleeing suspect forced his way into the home, Hicks ordered him to drop his gun. Instead, he pointed it at the homeowner, but was shot and killed when Hicks fired first.
(The Statesman Journal, Salem, OR, 1/11/83) (AR 5/83)

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« Reply #56 on: July 24, 2006, 10:31:54 AM »
So, there are no cases of the bad guy having a gun and the other not?
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« Reply #57 on: July 24, 2006, 11:06:03 AM »
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So, there are no cases of the bad guy having a gun and the other not?



That`s one of the main points. Arm the citizen and it at least levels the playing field. Also a great deterent.
If granny down at the 7/11 just might possibly have a 44 under that smock, then Joe Crackhead thinks twice about going in for some easy money.
You can never unarm the criminal element. It is totaly impossible.
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« Reply #58 on: July 24, 2006, 12:01:24 PM »
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But in Asia, drug not tolerated  


Translation: Madonna is a virgin.
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« Reply #59 on: July 24, 2006, 12:03:38 PM »
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Translation: Madonna is a virgin.
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