Author Topic: runway warriors... (Read 3177 times)

Chalenge · « **Reply #75 on:** July 27, 2006, 11:04:47 AM »

I have two points neither of which most of you will listen to but I will try anyway.

I have found a guy that flies for rooks and used to be a bishop that loves to vultch but doesnt fight at all. He flies his 190A5 two sectors to dive on to a field where just a few guys are coming up. If I find him vultching as I am landing he will try to evade but his ailerons never save him and he dies easy. If I catch him co-alt he will dive toward the bish field and try to get a kill or shoot some ack before he dies because he intends to come back again and again and again. So in his case I have to agree with lazs though I know plenty of people that try to fight they just dont have the experience of someone like lazs and so it appears cant do as he wants them to.

Then theres the bbs gods. That includes guys that are posting in this thread. If a fight doesnt go their way they whine on 200 about it and complain that the other guy has no clue. At first I thought this was a tactic to get someone to try again but to somehow beat them mentally before the fight even starts. Then I realized its just guys thumping their chests and trying to save face after getting shot down.

I read a few of the people in this thread talk about teaching guys stuff. Why not teach people to salute a good fight? Well we heard from HT himself recently at the conference. This game is all about pissing people off and there it is.

nopoop · « **Reply #76 on:** July 27, 2006, 12:51:56 PM »

Ren a long time ago in another game I hooked up with trainer in a group class on reversals that met once a week for an hour and a half. There were eight students.

As an introduction to class all but one jumped in the trainers plane with him while the remaining student came in high from behind. The object was to kill the trainer while holding all the cards.

One at a time each of us attempted to kill the lower slow flying trainer. He killed us all one by one.

Over the next three weeks we worked on reversals, we worked on one on one fights. We worked on flying at a disadvantage.

As homework we were to fly into fights without an altitude advantage and work on reversals. We were to fly in areas outnumbered to push at our SA.

We were taught to fight.

In the arena the first time I reversed for a kill, the first time I killed two above me I realized what a game like this can offer.

It is head and heels above killin a toolshed, learning how to get a high score. Camping above and pickin.

It's fighting. And if you find us getting repetitious it's because the new guys being trained aren't introduced to it. Taught it, givin a taste of what the arena can be.

I'll fly from a capped field for practice. I'll stay under someone until they come down.

I want to be overtaxed, pushed, break out in a sweat.

I'll guaranty once a student has a taste, nothing will hold them back.

They will have learned the fight.

The continual source of frustration is that unless a new guy takes the initiative and does it himself here, he'll become like all the rest because no one is showing him the way.

lazs2 · « **Reply #77 on:** July 27, 2006, 12:52:11 PM »

See Rule #4

Guppy35 · « **Reply #78 on:** July 27, 2006, 01:14:27 PM »

No one is really dying, planes are free.

I've beaten that into my own head again and again

So in my opinion the key to the deal is knowing that, and getting over the fact that I might lose a few cause I lose a lot. BUT! The more risks I take in a fight the more I learn and the better I feel like I'm getting.

Again, I think folks get too hung up on the dying part. Somehow success in the game is not dying. To that end, they don't do anything that might cause dying to happen. So you get your 'attaboys' for landing 10 vulch kills and somehow that means status or self respect.

And if that's what makes you feel good, there is nothing I can do about it. But to me that's a bit like starting in a new game and immediately getting the cheat codes so there is no challenge or no risk. What's the point then?

I'm still laughing a bit from last night. I only got to fly for a little bit, but in those few flights, down on the deck in my good old 38G I got 5 guys to auger trying to kill me, 2 Yaks, 2 Spit 16s and a Tiffie. It felt good to know I'm getting better at surviving down in the weeds in that big, target, can't runaway from anything 38G that I love so much. I suppose I could have stayed up high and done nothing but try and pick guys in it, but I love it on the deck in the weeds trying to survive so that's where I end up trying to get better.

But in the end it's to each his own in the game. I long ago gave up on expecting anyone else to play it my way

thndregg · « **Reply #79 on:** July 27, 2006, 01:19:41 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
See Rule #4

Yes. Due to the derogatory spelling of my ID, one has been answered. Next?

hubsonfire · « **Reply #80 on:** July 27, 2006, 01:21:44 PM »

poop and guppy express my own opinions very well. If you're not playing an air combat game with the express goal of engaging other players in cartoon aerial combat, then what are you doing wasting our bandwidth?

thndregg · « **Reply #81 on:** July 27, 2006, 01:24:49 PM »

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Originally posted by hubsonfire
poop and guppy express my own opinions very well. If you're not playing an air combat game with the express goal of engaging other players in cartoon aerial combat, then what are you doing wasting our bandwidth?

Oh, yes. "GV'ers, Buffs, Field Gunners, please cancel your account as your are no longer welcome."

Masherbrum · « **Reply #82 on:** July 27, 2006, 01:34:46 PM »

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Originally posted by thndregg
Oh, yes. "GV'ers, Buffs, Field Gunners, please cancel your account as your are no longer welcome."

That isn't what he said.

hubsonfire · « **Reply #83 on:** July 27, 2006, 01:35:55 PM »

I think we can consider bombers to be actual airplanes for the purposes of this discussion. While I know people like to flip out whenever this is mentioned, GVs are a sideshow. The game would continue just as it has with the loss of field guns and tanks. Neither is a key element, just something to keep the mooks occupied so that they continue to support the continued development of the game.

toon · « **Reply #84 on:** July 27, 2006, 01:47:15 PM »

laz, with all due respect,i have been a recipient of quite a few hours of rens time over the past year. he has proven himself to me to be a very patient trainer. if you disagree with what he says,kill his arguement..and yes in this case he does seem a little scrappy.however to mock his being in the TA helping people like me and any others that ask for it is out of line. everybody talks junk about stupid noobs(myself included) but who takes the time out of their day to help them. the trainers deserve our applause because they do what we do not want to do.anyway, i dont mean to speak for ren, but you can find him in the TA most nights if youre curious about his fighting abilities.I dont know the history behind any grudges here and all i wanted to do is point out that all of the trainers deserve respect from everyone in this community for at least that contribution.ankle humping over, my hips are tired.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #85 on:** July 27, 2006, 01:50:12 PM »

It also appears that the majority missed what the original point of laz2 was trying to make. He wasn't complaining about the act of vulching but instead was talking about the timid limp wristed rainbow warrior that will do whatever it takes to avoid a fight just for the chance to dive down on a field and hopefully vulch someone that is upping.

A good example of this type of pilot can be seen in the film I posted on this thread.

ack-ack

mars01 · « **Reply #86 on:** July 27, 2006, 02:06:35 PM »

See Rule #5

toon · « **Reply #87 on:** July 27, 2006, 02:30:10 PM »

mars, i respect your position as i dont know the history behind the grudgeand more importantly its none of my business.however,if ren did say that kind of behavoir and gameplay is okay..it is not what he trys to teach in the TA. to quote Tony montana.."you cant blame frank for that animal up there". what people do in the MA cannot be blamed on the trainers. the blame should fall on the lame tard practising that kind of gameplay. feel sorry for them.. they probaly just want their names in "lights" so bad theyre willing to do anything to get it there. i am not as articulate as i used to be because of some short-circuiting in my noggin during the 70's.lol. but my main point is .. if a trainer is saying something offensive or stupid in a post...kill their arguement...without respecting him...respect the fact that he and they do what we do not..train idiots who have never played a computer game like myself so at least we (the idiots can come into the MA and not be a total burden on those who have been around awhile. ~~btw im brick31 ..when i logged into the forums for the first time i didnt know what i was doing.~~

Skuzzy · « **Reply #88 on:** July 27, 2006, 03:10:07 PM »

This board is really not intended for grudge-fests. If you are holding a grudge, for whatever reason, you will not want to express it on this board.

Just a suggestion.