Bf109 Rolls

[Possi]

Originally posted by Eagler:
why won't it play for me, the video i mean?
A window media player window opens and it just sits there??

Update the Player or delete and reinstall it.

[funkedup]

[ 09-10-2001: Message edited by: funkedup ]

[Westy MOL]

lol. Funked. You grew your hairout !?  

 So, developers should now progress from making FM's by 'feel' and what they think they should be (sans actual tests) to making them match the visuals in a video.

 ......WAIT!!!

 They did that already!! Microsoft produced "Crimson Skies" didn't they?  

 Westy

[Possi]

 

[SOB]

Eagler...the same happened for me.  Just right-click on the link and "save target as" to save the file to your desktop.  You should be able to play it from there.


SOB

[AKSWulfe]

Originally posted by Possi:


You are right AH109 is not a Bf109!

Neither is the IL-2 109 you dud. They are both digital representations, one based on real world data... the other is well Il-2.

Why do you spend so much time over here trying to convince us (yourself) that Il-2 is better when both are based on two different types of test?

Fact of the matter is, AH is based on NACA tests while Il-2 is based on the fudge factor. "it doesn't quite match what these people are telling me... I'll go by 'feel'"
-SW

[Westy MOL]

P.s. I see no basis what so ever for your specs Possi in your first post. "This is a 60%-70% Rolls and she flying 400-500km/h and she rolls very fast and she can roll faster,so a completely roll in 3 Sec. is not a Problem"

 But a roll in 3 seconds? Good cod a Blue whale rolls faster in molasses.

 one mississippi.....

 two mississippi........

 three mississipi!!!!

 Oh look. It rolled.  
 

Westy

[Possi]

Originally posted by SWulfe:



Neither is the IL-2 109 you dud. They are both digital representations, one based on real world data... the other is well Il-2.

Why do you spend so much time over here trying to convince us (yourself) that Il-2 is better when both are based on two different types of test?

Fact of the matter is, AH is based on NACA tests while Il-2 is based on the fudge factor. "it doesn't quite match what these people are telling me... I'll go by 'feel'"
-SW

The Point is the NACA is wrong!!!
You believe Paper or what you see and hear from Veterans Pilots from WW2 the fly a Bf109?

 http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/Forum35/HTML/002201.html

[Dead Man Flying]

In the interest of science, and because you IL-2 cheerleaders annoy me with your moronic cheerleading babble that shows a distinct lack of understanding what planes can do in AH... I bring you... A FILM!

Yes, an actual AH film that I just went and filmed offline.  In it, I fly a 109G2 at 25% fuel with no ammo and attempt to replicate the corkscrew roll demonstrated in the film above.

And what did I find?  I found that, of the three or four times I did this move, I was able to complete it in 2 to 3 seconds every time.

Here it is..

-- Todd/DMF

[fscott]

It's not about NACA, TsAGI tests it's about change.

People get used to flying an aircraft one way and they *hate* the idea of having to relearn it.  They only submit to the new lesson when they are forced to.

Oleg says he will publish the russian tests soon.  I see no reason to doubt him.  

Even so, there will be many who will still stand by their own imagination of how the 109 should fly.

This video certainly goes a long way in convincing.  I don't see how anyione can argue with the actual plane right in front of their eyes.

[Dead Man Flying]

Originally posted by fscott:
This video certainly goes a long way in convincing.  I don't see how anyione can argue with the actual plane right in front of their eyes.

Then how can you argue with the AH film I just posted replicating the move?

-- Todd/DMF

[Zigrat]

heres aquote from fscott from less than a week ago

Now the 109g2, that is a different matter. IMO the rollrate is too high. Hopefully this has been toned down a bit to reflect AVERAGE strength plots, versus the superhuman pilots who are seemingly at the controls of the 109g2.

Good gawd they must be exerting 120 lbs of lateral force to get that 109g2 to roll like that at high speeds...

[Westy MOL]

The video goes a long way towards .... nothing.

 And this really has nothing much to do with AH or IL2. It's all to do with eronious and laughable presumptions of a very few who have figured out that they know what the capabilities of an unarmed, low fuel load, rebuilt 55 year old plane is after watching a 15 second mpeg.  I've seen P-47's, Spits, 51's and F4U's in films do the same.

 I really think some of you just want something so bad you'll make up things to suit yourselves. In an attempt not to start a flame war I won't say how retarded a few of you sound.

 But I find it a bit humorous though that each of you cultboys will even ignore remarks by Oleg that there are several items in error - even MISSING (like DRAG for the FM's above 175kmh) - in the flight model that will be changed for the official demno and release to come.  

 Westy

[AKDejaVu]

I really love this video.

I especially like that in-spite of the fact that the video itself is clipped, the audio transition is seamless.  Especially after the first rollout where the engine noise never skips a beat despite the plane instantly changing direction and altitude.

Holy crap.. upon further review of the film... can't help but notice that the video is playing about twice as fast as the audio.  I wonder why that is.

AKDejaVu

[fscott]

Zigrat. My statement from a week ago or so proves one thing, I am not as hard-headed and close-minded as some.

My assumptions are open to change. I have no problem looking at all the evidence.  In this case I've done a little research sicne that time.

The wing area on the 109 is less than the 190.  The total weight is of the 109 is less than the 190.  The 109 has no extra weight on the wings such as guns/fuel/etc... The 190 has two cannon in the wingroots.

For a long time I always thought the 190 has much smaller wing area.  

I know that factor alone does not constitute a faster rollrate, but there are other factors as well.  And this video certainly adds convincing.

It will be even better to see the Tsagi tests.

 

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