Author Topic: Now even Condolezza Rice has called for a cease-fire (Read 2852 times)

parker00 · « **Reply #30 on:** July 30, 2006, 10:54:57 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad
So you don't think they should target people who kill Israeli citizens?

During a CEASE FIRE? No i don't. Maybe you don't understand what a cease fire is. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to stick up for what the arabs are doing but we need to think of the cause instead of the reaction. Think of a infection in your body, do you treat the cold sweats and fever or the infection itself?

Toad · « **Reply #31 on:** July 30, 2006, 10:58:09 AM »

Lol, I think maybe Hamas doesn't understand what a ceasefire is.

Please show me one "targeted killing" that was not in response to a ceasefire violation by the Palestinian side.

There is cause and effect. The cause is Hamas/Hezbollah striking Israel and the effect is the Israelis strike back.

Face facts: the best chance for peace in Gaza has been totally thrown away by the Hamas militants.

Toad · « **Reply #32 on:** July 30, 2006, 11:03:35 AM »

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Originally posted by parker00
Edit: I dont' think it was the creation of the state that caused the problems

Then you are not a student of history.

The armies of the Arab states attacked Israel immediately after May 15, 1948, the date the British withdrew and the State of Israel was proclaimed.

I think the creation of the state caused problems that haven't stopped since.

lukster · « **Reply #33 on:** July 30, 2006, 11:36:16 AM »

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Originally posted by Nilsen
conflicting reports now about what rice has said.

watching bbc news now as demonstrators are attacking th UN building

At least they're attacking the ones most responsible for their current situation.

parker00 · « **Reply #34 on:** July 30, 2006, 11:38:15 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Then you are not a student of history.

The armies of the Arab states attacked Israel immediately after May 15, 1948, the date the British withdrew and the State of Israel was proclaimed.

I think the creation of the state caused problems that haven't stopped since.

I guess you only like to pick and choose parts of history, this began way before 1948, the statement above was said around 1904 so I guess they were looking to take the land BEFORE the state of Israel was created. You need to look at the entire timeline and not just what the media talkes about.

lukster · « **Reply #35 on:** July 30, 2006, 11:43:27 AM »

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Originally posted by parker00
During a CEASE FIRE? No i don't. Maybe you don't understand what a cease fire is. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to stick up for what the arabs are doing but we need to think of the cause instead of the reaction. Think of a infection in your body, do you treat the cold sweats and fever or the infection itself?

There can only be a cease fire if all parties in the conflict agree. You can't impose a cease fire on anyone.

Donzo · « **Reply #36 on:** July 30, 2006, 12:00:45 PM »

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Originally posted by xrtoronto
number dead in this attack is now 57...34 of them children

Exactly what path are you going down here?
Would it be ok if we saw reports of the ramdom rocket attacks killing 57 people? Would that make it "fair" or "ok" in your mind?

While it is a tragedy, the fact the the Hez chooses to fire their rockets from civilian area is the real tragedy.

I ask you again, what exactly would you have Isreal do? Sit back and take the rocket attacks? Just suck it up? Where are the warnings from Hez that they are about to fire rockets at an area? (Oh wait, they have no idea where their rockets will hit)

Isreal is doing what needs to be done. Plain and simple. It is unfortunate that the Hez are a bunch of chicken****s that resort to using the civilian population as a shield to launch their attacks. The real "bad guys" here are the Hez and the Lebanese gov for not taking care of Hez themselves.

Toad · « **Reply #37 on:** July 30, 2006, 12:03:23 PM »

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Originally posted by parker00
I guess you only like to pick and choose parts of history, this began way before 1948, the statement above was said around 1904 so I guess they were looking to take the land BEFORE the state of Israel was created. You need to look at the entire timeline and not just what the media talkes about.

Oh, well then we better take a look at the whole timeline.

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Joshua 11:23

So Joshua took the whole land, according to all that Yahweh spoke to Moses; and Joshua gave it for an inheritance to Israel according to their divisions by their tribes. The land had rest from war.

You can dwell on the past, that's OK. Afterall, it's what the Palestinians, Hamas and Hezbollah are doing. It pretty much guarantees repetition of the past but they appear to be OK with that.

Or, one can look to the future. The best chance in the last two decades for peace in Palestine is/was the beginning of the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza and the West Bank. Certainly not a perfect solution; they need to get all the way back to their appointed 1948 borders, the ones the sainted UN set for them.

That path at least holds a shred of hope for eventual peace.

The present path of Hamas/Hezbollah is the path to the past, the path to continual war.

All hail Hamas/Heabollah. [/sarcasm]

Yeager · « **Reply #38 on:** July 30, 2006, 12:08:57 PM »

This crap has been going on with these people in one form or another since 1948, why keep delaying the inevitable.

Get it over with once and for all.

Rolex · « **Reply #39 on:** July 30, 2006, 12:12:39 PM »

I'm sick of Hezbollah.
I'm tired of Hamas.
I'm sick of Iraq and Iran.
You can have Saudi Arabia.

I've had it with Israel.
Ship it to South America.
I'm sick of Al Qaeda
and tired of the Taliban.

I'm tired of Tony Blair.
I'm tired of George Bush.
I'm tired of Katrina
and Hillary too.

I'm sick of CNN, Fox
and the BBC.
I've had enough of reality TV,
give me entertainment.

I'm tired of talking heads.
I'm sick of brainless talkers.

xrtoronto · « **Reply #40 on:** July 30, 2006, 12:18:01 PM »

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Originally posted by Rolex
I've had enough of reality TV,

even Big Brother season 7?

but what about Janelle?

Elfie · « **Reply #41 on:** July 30, 2006, 12:20:38 PM »

This might be why Israel attacked:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14100258/?GT1=8307

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Israel: Hezbollah used village as base
Israeli said it targeted Qana because it was a base for hundreds of rockets launched at Israeli, including 40 that injured five Israelis on Sunday. Israel said it had warned civilians several days before to leave the village.

“One must understand the Hezbollah is using their own civilian population as human shields,” said Israeli Foreign Ministry official Gideon Meir. “The Israeli defense forces dropped leaflets and warned the civilian population to leave the place because the Hezbollah turned it into a war zone.”

Again, Israel warns civilians of an impending attack. Civilians dont leave. Civilians die. Did Hezbollah prevent the civilians from leaving again as they have done in other places? We dont know that yet, but if they did......arent they to blame for putting the civilians in danger?

Hezbollah attacks from just outside UN posts, they attack from civilian population centers. I blame Hezbollah for the deaths of UN soldiers and civilians.

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You didn't mention that it is reported that more than half of the 40 killed were children. Just add this to the growing long list of Israeli attrocities

Imo, the atrocity happened when Hezbollah fired it's rockets from inside a village full of civilians knowing full well that they were putting those civilians at a HUGE risk.

Elfie · « **Reply #42 on:** July 30, 2006, 12:29:56 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Oh, well then we better take a look at the whole timeline.

You can dwell on the past, that's OK. Afterall, it's what the Palestinians, Hamas and Hezbollah are doing. It pretty much guarantees repetition of the past but they appear to be OK with that.

Or, one can look to the future. The best chance in the last two decades for peace in Palestine is/was the beginning of the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza and the West Bank. Certainly not a perfect solution; they need to get all the way back to their appointed 1948 borders, the ones the sainted UN set for them.

That path at least holds a shred of hope for eventual peace.

The present path of Hamas/Hezbollah is the path to the past, the path to continual war.

All hail Hamas/Heabollah. [/sarcasm]

It actually goes back a bit further than that Toad, back to the time of Abraham when God told Abraham to settle in the land of Canaan.

parker00 · « **Reply #43 on:** July 30, 2006, 12:58:23 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Oh, well then we better take a look at the whole timeline.

You can dwell on the past, that's OK. Afterall, it's what the Palestinians, Hamas and Hezbollah are doing. It pretty much guarantees repetition of the past but they appear to be OK with that.

Or, one can look to the future. The best chance in the last two decades for peace in Palestine is/was the beginning of the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza and the West Bank. Certainly not a perfect solution; they need to get all the way back to their appointed 1948 borders, the ones the sainted UN set for them.

That path at least holds a shred of hope for eventual peace.

The present path of Hamas/Hezbollah is the path to the past, the path to continual war.

All hail Hamas/Heabollah. [/sarcasm]

Well I think everyone seems to live in the past so that's not much of an argument to me. When neither side will admit to the crimes they have done in the past then how can either side have some type of closure and move on? Israel may of been withdrawing from two areas but they were reinforcing others. Still building a wall through occupied land says you don't plan on leaving it anytime soon. You want a wall, fine build it on you side of the border. Again you keep pointing to one side as being right in this and that is the point of my disagreement as I feel both sides are to blame and neither is more to blame then the other.

I think the present path of Hamas/Hezhollah AND Israel is the path to the past, the path to continual war.

parker00 · « **Reply #44 on:** July 30, 2006, 01:03:51 PM »

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Originally posted by Elfie
It actually goes back a bit further than that Toad, back to the time of Abraham when God told Abraham to settle in the land of Canaan.

Any proof of what you say? I don't see how you could though as religion is based completely on faith.