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IDF says "building collapsed 8 hours after the attack"
« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2006, 02:04:50 PM »
Straffo,

I am offended. You left me out of your little lettre de cachet.

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IDF says "building collapsed 8 hours after the attack"
« Reply #16 on: July 31, 2006, 02:10:56 PM »
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Source please?


Go and search any news sites, there you will see the numbers invloved of thousands of People who have been "arrested" by the Israelis, funny how the Israelis/US calls them Kidnapping when it happens to  Israel and arrests when it's the other way round.
Just playing with words, another part of propoganda

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« Reply #17 on: July 31, 2006, 02:12:40 PM »
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Thanks , now I can picture it clearly :

IDF bomb a builing, before it collapse the bomb explode (making no damages I guess ?) screaming "THE BUILDING WILL COLLAPSE WITHIN 8 HOURS".


It make sense.



Straffo, I think it is known approximately when the building collapsed. The IDF also knows what time they hit that building. There is a discrepancy of about 8 hours between the time that building was hit and the time it collapsed.

Right now it isnt known if the building collapsed from damage sustained during the airstrike, or from other causes.
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« Reply #18 on: July 31, 2006, 02:15:58 PM »
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Go and search any news sites, there you will see the numbers invloved of thousands of People who have been "arrested" by the Israelis, funny how the Israelis/US calls them Kidnapping when it happens to  Israel and arrests when it's the other way round.
Just playing with words, another part of propoganda


When Hezbollah is made a state then they to can call it  "arrests".
Until such time its kidnapping.


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« Reply #19 on: July 31, 2006, 02:19:12 PM »
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Go and search any news sites, there you will see the numbers invloved of thousands of People who have been "arrested" by the Israelis, funny how the Israelis/US calls them Kidnapping when it happens to Israel and arrests when it's the other way round.


Oh, so you have no source.  What you are saying is that you choose to believe that the Israelis are kidnapping Palestinians but you actually have no evidence to support it, is that correct?

I have a "yes or no" question for you.  Do you believe the world would be a safer place without Islamic extremists like the Hizbos?

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« Reply #20 on: July 31, 2006, 02:23:12 PM »
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Go and search any news sites, there you will see the numbers invloved of thousands of People who have been "arrested" by the Israelis, funny how the Israelis/US calls them Kidnapping when it happens to  Israel and arrests when it's the other way round.
Just playing with words, another part of propoganda


I googled for it. Didnt come up with any hits that described *thousands* of people arrested. I did see where 3 were arrested for demonstrating without a liscence. I did see where Israel is conducting nightly arrest raids in which they arrest militants in the West Bank. But thousands?
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« Reply #21 on: July 31, 2006, 02:23:42 PM »
Straffo, it is convenient for you Euro-appeasers to blame both sides for a conflict.  This way you can try to make nice with the bad guys, thus hoping they don't bomb you. Please do not think that right thinking people are unaware of this.  Tell me, when the rockets start falling in your country, your neighborhood, who will you blame along with the  terrorists,your neighbors?

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« Reply #22 on: July 31, 2006, 02:25:52 PM »
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Oh, so you have no source.  What you are saying is that you choose to believe that the Israelis are kidnapping Palestinians but you actually have no evidence to support it, is that correct?

I have a "yes or no" question for you.  Do you believe the world would be a safer place without Islamic extremists like the Hizbos?


If you belive that Israel is not going around and grabbing people of the streets, women, kids etc and then holding them without trial for years, then that's your thing.
But I have put a link here to the BBC that will give you the numbers invloved.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5211930.stm

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« Reply #23 on: July 31, 2006, 02:31:53 PM »
Ok, so you still have no evidence to support what you are claiming.  In other words, your claim that they were kidnapped has no basis whatsoever.  You are showing that some were arrested, yes.  How does that turn into kidnapping?  Where does it say that these people were kidnapped?


Edit:  Other than the 28 youths, which are probalby young men not yet 18, where are evidence that  women and children have been kidnapped?  Randomly ...how did you put it... pulled off the street?

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« Reply #24 on: July 31, 2006, 02:34:19 PM »
Think the world would be safer without ALL extremists, Islamics, Neo cons, Christians who think this is the rapture, the lot, the ones who advocate war and then send everyone else away apart from the ones they know and can protect, War is the biggest racket known to Man, nobody wins, apart from the rich few who make millions out of arms deals.
That's about as far as i'm going to go on the subject, it annoys me no end, becuase of war, I'm left 60% disabled, taking 3 different meds a day, numerous operations and phyiscal therapy sessions.
Has my sacrifice changed anything? Has anyones changed anything?
Nope, young men die, People at the top get rich from it, that's the bottom line in my book.
So i'm not an advocate of any side, I just want an end to senseless wars, people dying and people making money out of it.

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« Reply #25 on: July 31, 2006, 02:41:08 PM »
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Thanks , now I can picture it clearly :

IDF bomb a builing, before it collapse the bomb explode (making no damages I guess ?) screaming "THE BUILDING WILL COLLAPSE WITHIN 8 HOURS".


It make sense.


Hehe, not so quick.  It's entirely plausible for a building to collapse hours after it was damaged.

It's also entirely plausible for a building to be made to collapse hours after it was damaged.  You can figure that second one out if you want.
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« Reply #26 on: July 31, 2006, 02:41:49 PM »
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Ok, so you still have no evidence to support what you are claiming.  In other words, your claim that they were kidnapped has no basis whatsoever.  You are showing that some were arrested, yes.  How does that turn into kidnapping?  Where does it say that these people were kidnapped?


Edit:  Other than the 28 youths, which are probalby young men not yet 18, where are evidence that  women and children have been kidnapped?  Randomly ...how did you put it... pulled off the street?

Find me the quote that says the two Israeli soldiers were in Israel and were innocently pulled of the streets (kidnapped in other words)
Words, it's just words  being used to anyones gain, why are you in denial? Why can't you accept that Israel arrests people with no reason and then imprisons them for no reason?
British done that for years in Ireland, funny how lots of the big time terrorists there are now well known politicians after being elected. don't see anyone from the White house advocating dropping bombs on those organizations, why? they entered into negotions with the White house and downing street, that's why, so why is the White house saying the don't talk to Terrorists? one rule for one and one rule for another.

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« Reply #27 on: July 31, 2006, 02:41:52 PM »
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almost and I say almost sounds plausible, RE: Explosives collapsing the building, more proaganda, more lies, more of the same, Just like killing the 4 UN people was a mistake, even after repeated warnings to the IDF, Same as Sabrah and Shatilla was covered up, till they couldn't hide it anymore.
Funny thing is, looks like the two soldiers were kidnapped, what about the thousands of Palastinian people who have been kidnapped by the Israelis ?
Many of whom are probably innocent, they weren't kidnapped though, they were arrested..
Doesn't matter who the country is, there's always one claiming they are right and the other is wrong, this all has to stop, too many innocent people are being caught up in this terrible conflict.


ok, I got to watch some CNN and SKY the last few days. I must say that the reporters are an increadibly cluless bunch. What they get is a series of pictures of human suffering which always is a good story and some background of rubble that they can stand infront in their blue vests and make a serious face. The rest they simply invent as they have no idea what is going on. They are fed bull**** by both sides spokesmen and they pic what suits them. They do not understand neither the military actions nor the political goals of the war, but shoot their mouth off never the less.

Reminds me of the "embeded" reportes in the second Gulf war that were led to all the insignificant locations so they can shoot dust and repeat the explanations given to them.

So here's some inside information which I can post here. You can believe it or not as I am a side in this conflict.

UN post:
This position was attcked by pure mistake. IDF knew about the UN post and was conducting airstrikes and firing artillery at Hizballa operating around it. The intention was to strike a different position, but by what currently seems like a human error, the wrong position was attacked. Knowing or not knowing about UN being there has nothing to do with it as their position was not supposed to be bombed at all. Friendly fire is common in war. British forces were bombed by American in Iraq. Do you think it was done on purpose?

Kanna village:
The Hizballa was firing rockets and operating from this village as the posted videos show. True, the video is not from minutes prior to the airstrike, it is just aimed to prove that it was an operating ground for Hizballa. From what I know, the building that was targeted and bombed was the building next door. The building with the civilians inside was damaged in the blast. Construction quality in that area is not very good and the side blast may have been enough to tople it. Possibly after a few hours.

This whole Kanna incident is one big predictable Hipocracy. If 60 civilians were accidently killed by 10 different bombings it would have been OK. If they are killed by 1 bomb it's murder. If the US bombs a wedding killing over 50 it's collateral damage. When Israel bomb one building and the one next door collapse killing people hiding in it, it is a massacre. Anyone wish to count the dead in Iraq or Sudan and compare to Lebanon?

As I posted several time before the incident, this kind of "second Kanna" incident is exactly what Hizballa was trying to create. I didn't expect it to really be in Kanna again.

The IDF is not capturing south Lebanon because this is not its mission. It is a wise decision as Israel is not trying to "win" this war by conquering the other side. There is no wish to create a teritorial despute as Israel is quite content with the borders marked by the UN in 2000. The aim is to keep Lebanon army intact as much as possible and allow it to deploy along the border. On the other hand, this is not a police action and no one is safe if Hizballa is using him as a shield.

If Lebanon prime minister Seniora is so worried about his citizens all he has to do is deploy Lebanon army along the Israeli border thus ending the war immediately. Israel is not asking Lebanon to surrender, give up any land or interests. It is only expected from them to keep their border quiet and Hizballa away from it. The goverment of Lebanon must not be on the loosing side of the war and it can easily come out as the winner. If he is wise he can even get Shab'a farms in the deal and be the one to "liberate" Lebanonese land.

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« Reply #28 on: July 31, 2006, 02:43:05 PM »
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Think the world would be safer without ALL extremists, Islamics, Neo cons, Christians who think this is the rapture, the lot,


Sounds reasonable to me!


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the ones who advocate war and then send everyone else away apart from the ones they know and can protect, War is the biggest racket known to Man, nobody wins, apart from the rich few who make millions out of arms deals.


I have to admit that our invlovement in  the viet nam war has some dubious roots.(I never researched it enough to form a definitive position)
You are saying all wars are a racket.  Honestly, do you believe that about WWII?

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That's about as far as i'm going to go on the subject, it annoys me no end, becuase of war, I'm left 60% disabled,.....Has my sacrifice changed anything?


I hope so... I really do.  I hope your sacrifice somehow had a positive impact on our society remaining free.



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So i'm not an advocate of any side,
 

Yes you are!  You have agreed that the world would be a better place without Islamic extremists. The hizbos are Islamic extremists.
Hawco, the hizbos are fighting from and launching rockets from civilian neighborhoods.  They wear civilian clothes! There are pictures coming out of there that clearly show this. Is it any wonder that, while sickening and tragic, that civilians are being killed?

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« Reply #29 on: July 31, 2006, 02:46:35 PM »
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If you belive that Israel is not going around and grabbing people of the streets, women, kids etc and then holding them without trial for years, then that's your thing.
But I have put a link here to the BBC that will give you the numbers invloved.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5211930.stm


I didnt see anything in that article that says, or even implies that the Israelis are kidnapping anyone. Israel claims that 70% of those held have blood on their hands.

That article does say that some of those held, a relatively small number, are being held without being charged and dont know why they are being held. I believe those people should be told why they are being held. Otoh, I dont believe Israel is going to hold people without a valid reason simply because it costs taxpayer money to keep those people jailed.

I'd be willing to bet one of those under 18 that is being held is the 12 year old boy that was caught trying to smuggle a bomb across the border into Israel.
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